The Evidence of Things Unseen
 

Vandal,

Ted Fort's Golf Stroke -- in your words, "nice, compact, efficient" -- is The Promise of The Golfing Machine. Happily, it is also The Evidence that such a Stroke can be built by those willing to subjugate ego to purpose.

i know how you feel
 

"And then I go to the range and proceed to shank, hit it fat, dribble some off, hook a few for good measure, pull some nearly over the net, shank a few more at the other row of practice tees and flat out suck"



The last few times i went out for a practise hit i sucked big time. The ball was going anywhere but where it was supposed to. I was not happy.[-o< :???: :mad: :

But i figured i was trying too hard. I was a slave to the ball and overswinging. So i just went back to basics...started practising with the dowels for a few nights.

Yesterday evening i went to the course for a quick few holes and a little TGM miracle happened..they started going straight and felt oh so good:smile:

Good luck

Waitin' For Ya ,Vandal...
 

You need to come see us, Vandal.

Seriously...

If Golf means anything at all to you long-term, you need to come see us.

What's the point of adding more pivot?
 

Thanks for the reply Ted!
Please realise I'm not picking on your stroke, just want to learn more about real life Hitting :)
Per above, you talked about "adding some pivot". Now, I realise the Pivot is not an Accumulator, but do you think by having a larger turn you can gernerate more Power (Lag Pressure)? Or are there other reasons for adding some more pivot? I ask because the TGM me thinks that the Pivot is for maintaining Balance, Stationary Pivot Center, Axis Tilt, so Hands can take a Straight Path to the Ball. Also Launching Pad for Hitter.
Thanks!

Edit: I'm referring to 12-5-3 here, in case you were wondering...

I would like to piggy back on this question too . . .

Do you think a Swinger has MORE Pivot Lag than a Hitter? Or is it the same?

pivot
 

Trust me, I understand that you're not picking. I appreciated the compliment. The reason I think you've become so knowledgeable are the great questions that you ask.

My pivot is really all about my hands, per 9-1 (Emphatically). My pivot accommodates and allows my hands to do their respective jobs. The pivot simply allows my hands to take a longer straight line delivery path to the ball, so I have a longer road on which to accelerate, per 2-M-2 #3 (affecting speed). When the road is longer though, the hitter has to be very careful about over-acceleration, per 2-M-2 #1 (affecting mass).

I hope this is helpful.

Yes, this is helpful :) . To be honest, I had something in mind already before I asked the questions. I think there's a general misconception that going beyond the Top (even for the Hitter) will not produce extra Power.
It is true that the average amateur will improve their game tremendously by using a shorter stroke. There are many reasons, and one of them is because hackers have a tendency to reach maximum hand speed well before Release. The shorter the stroke, the less room there is for the golfer to overaccelerate.
However, the better player who has learned the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point technique, has great Rhythm, etc... can benefit from increased Power of the longer Stroke (2-M-2-4). An example of a long Hitter going beyond the Top is Kenny Perry (and Ted of course). There's also a counter-intuitive or psychological reason. When one stops at the Top, the player may feel that he has to put more effort into their swing in order to get the ball go a reasonable distance. Although this can create a very positive Lag Pressure sensation, other areas may suffer.

Bottom line: the general advice given around here on using a short stroke (stoping at the Top) still holds. It will help a lot more golfers than it hurts. But also keep the above in mind!

Yes
 

I'm out in California and a trip to the Swamp is probably out of the question right now, although if I ever find an excuse to be in Georgia I will be there. I am working on getting the time and money so that I can find an AI near me, or perhaps arrange some time with the great Ben Doyle.

Deitrick
 

Go to our pro contributors and check out Lee Deitrick. He's awesome and can help you locally.

Lee Dietrick...Man of the Moment In SoCal
 

I second the Lee Dietrick motion! He has the Master designation from The Golfing Machine and really knows his stuff.

In addition to TGM, he has trained under many of the country's most famous golf instructors, from Flick to Kostis to Bertholy. He was a champion athlete (wrestling) and coach and, best of all, he knows how to teach. All you guys out there on the West Coast, give him a call. You have only strokes to lose!