Now we're getting somewhere.

You were a big time "book" guy for a while right?

What happened in your experience to change from "nose in book" to "head in game?"

I absolutely LOVE the Machine and I think it has helped me tremendously . . . however I think there is a REASON that some people get it without the book . . . I think that REASON (or whatever it is . . . instincts) is innate in all of us. Some people just LEARN golf more effectively or quicker or something.

There are WAY WAY more people that don't have clue about this stuff that can flat play golf than those that know the book and can actually DO IT.

There are many that succeed in the game INSPITE OF INFERIOR INSTRUCTION than what we have with TGM.

The riddle is WHY IS THAT? What is going on in those peoples' LEARNING process? How do we better access our innate ability to LEARN precise movements required to effectively control the distance and direction of a golf ball?

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!
 

My take on it as well. I look at it this way. A lot of us have a basic idae how a car engine works, but would you really attempt serious engine work without a workshop manual that gives you all the specs, tolerances,unique language,terms and procedures? Unless you are a very experienced mechanic, probably not, and even then, you likely have a shop manual for reference. Would a shop manual be useful to a novice who barely knows how to check the oil? Probably not. Homer Kelly authored a workshop manual for the golf swing. Lynn and Ted are very experienced in the contents, and probably only use it periodically like the very esperience auto mechanic. As a tool for the novice golfer, it holds about the same value as the shop manual does for the neophyte auto mechanic.

My $.02

G2M

The only problem with not having somebody competitent is INCOMPLETE instruction through faulty translation . . . In efforts to keep things simple stuff gets omitted that is very critical to the whole . . .

BUT that being said . . . I guarantee that dude that played the senior tour that lived on a farm and played with clubs that got burnt up in a fire got it via INSTINCT.

There certainly are different ways to LEARN it . . . however . . . there has to be an OPTIMUM/more efficient way . . .

Mr. K of course almost MANDATED the use of an AI. And I'm sure there are some of them that "ain't got it."

You said it best, Bucket -- there are way many more people who don't know the book that can flat out play than do know the book. So what does that tell us? In my opinion, it tells us that there is nothing unique in that book that is necessary for someone to learn how to play good golf. For me, I decided the book was way too much work and very unnessesary for me enjoy the game.

Bucket, I don't know the answer to your question, other than to say I'm convinced that both sides are at fault -- most students don't know how to "learn" and most teachers don't know how to teach.

Yeaaaaaaaaah BUT . . .

There are EVEN MORE PEOPLE who DON'T know the book THAT CAN'T PLAY A LICK than those that don't know but CAN.

So what about them people? The book ain't necessary for those with good instincts . . . but I think those that don't "get it" with or without the book are missing something.

I say it's a mix of PROPER TRANSLATION of the concepts in the book and a study of how people LEARN in general. I think that would be the missing link for the CAN'T DO's.

You gave up on self-study of the book but got help from someone who could effectively TRANSLATE what's in there right?

So wouldn't it be translation and the learning how to learn part?

We have exchanged PM's and you are GOOD PEOPLE man. I don't want people to think you "sold out" or something. I just like to see people get better REGARDLESS of how the get'r done ... books, teachers, gadgets, selling the soul to the devil or whatever!

Yes, thankfully, I learned a lot of good stuff from others who know the book. But I didn't (and couldn't) get it on my own out of the book. For those that can, God bless 'em. This was my original point in post #4 -- the book is gold in the hands of golf instructors who need to know how all those 24 components fit together in the swing. But your average golfer -- which is about 98% of all golfers -- doesn't need to know all of the stuff in the book. They just need to know what works best for them.

So, that's how I'm approaching it now -- go to the guru if I want some help, but I'm just not reading the book anymore. Leaves me more time to watch my Ron White vids!

The Farmer
 

12 Piece - the player of whom you speak is Robert Landers.

Bruce

12PB...good post.....(that's deep)...

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There's no doubt that good information helps....that's not even arguable.

Guided struggle.

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I mean....the book may screw you up for a while if you take on the full dose by yourself....but you sort it out....and come out better and smarter in the end. (if you're persistent)

About Winning and TGM. Question yourself!
 

Can you Play to a scratch flipping? Can you Play on tour Flipping?Can you win PGA Flipping? Yes Yes Yes.


Is Winning Golf all about Great golf stroke and great ball striking? No

Which have a better chance of winning anything. A tough Mental Attitude or a Fantastic Golf Stroke ? Sergio. Michelle. The other End of the spectrum My Hero. Jim Furyk

Do you need Confidence , Great Strategist, Temperament, Attitude to Win? Yes.

If You have great mental attitude. You just find ways to be Perfect and ways to go into the Hole with the lowest Stroke.. Isn't that Golf, Life?

Do Being Effective gives you a better chance and reduce fustration? Talking about that,I personally like to see Nick Faldo come learn TGM. Will be so cool.

It is easy and possible to hit a golf ball with a predictable Pattern. It is NOT easy to hit it effectively. Is that why The Author's Objective of TGM?

Is there any other books that can scientifically explain why this man hits a mile , hits it crisper than any other ?

Is there any other golf book that had endured 7 editions and still improving?
Is being Effective makes the Game FUN and less fustrating, and makes less demanding on your physical self to make a golf stroke effective till you cannot walk?

Is TGM a short cut ( a difficult short cut) to learning effective golf stroke, Or A short cut can create an effective golf stroke?

Is that why GSED is there for?