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Yoda 03-16-2005 09:11 PM
Tom Tomasello -- The One And Only
 
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Originally Posted by drewitgolf
Although, I did not see it referenced on this video, I do like Tomasello's referring to Extensor Action as "extension without tension".
It's in there, Drew. Watch again!

In the Announcement of this series, I mentioned the telephone call to Homer Kelley that Tommy and I made from his living room. We taped the conversation, and it was then that Tommy enthusiastically told Homer of this new teaching phrase he had come up with: "Extension without tension." Homer was delighted.

I must say that, like each of you, I am enjoying this series. But, as I watch my old friend in action, I also sense his loss...We shared a lot of golf and many good times. To hear once again his inimitable laugh and the passion in his voice as he shares the thrill -- even he can hardly believe it! -- of his own journey brings yesterday front and center.

He was one of a kind, and I miss him.

mgjordan 03-16-2005 09:16 PM
Re: Tom Tomasello -- The One And Only
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoda
Quote:
Originally Posted by drewitgolf
Although, I did not see it referenced on this video, I do like Tomasello's referring to Extensor Action as "extension without tension".
Not to worry, Drew. It's coming!

In the Announcement of this series, I mentioned the telephone call to Homer Kelley that Tommy and I made from his living room. We taped the conversation, and it was then that Tommy enthusiastically told Homer of this new teaching phrase he had come up with: "Extension without tension." Homer was delighted.

I must say that, like each of you, I am enjoying this series. But, as I watch my old friend in action, I also sense his loss...We shared a lot of golf and many good times. To hear once again his inimitable laugh and the passion in his voice as he shares the thrill -- even he can hardly believe it! -- of his own journey brings yesterday front and center.

He was one of a kind, and I miss him.
Lynn,
Any stories you would like to tell about your time with Tomasello and Homer? From what I can see on the videos, Tomasello seems like a very passionate teacher. That seems to be a common trait with TGM AI's. You have to be passionate to get through TGM though. I find anything about the "early days of TGM" very interesting. Thanks.

Yoda 03-16-2005 09:32 PM
From The Horse's Mouth
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mgjordan
Lynn,
Any stories you would like to tell about your time with Tomasello and Homer? From what I can see on the videos, Tomasello seems like a very passionate teacher. That seems to be a common trait with TGM AI's. You have to be passionate to get through TGM though. I find anything about the "early days of TGM" very interesting. Thanks.
How about a little streaming audio? :D

Yoda 03-16-2005 09:45 PM
Makin' It Happen
 
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Originally Posted by PChandler
Team LBG

Thanks much.

[Bold by Yoda.]
I love this, PChandler. You could not be more right.

Thanks, Bagger.

Thanks, Trig.

And thanks to all who are making this one of the premier Golf Instruction sites on the Web!

Bagger Lance 03-16-2005 10:06 PM
No, Thank You...Really...
 
Seriously, as I sit here burning yet another fantastic video, the pleasure comes from seeing TGM brought out of text and into life, or more accurately lives. I've been studying the book for 4 years and playing golf for almost 6. As a middle-aged corporate exec., I'm convinced I wouldn't be a single digit HC today without early exposure to TGM.

The joy comes from seeing others get lit up with the same passion I have. There is nothing like taking personal ownership of your golf swing.

I can't thank the TGM teachers enough, Y'all are giving freely and I owe you. This is part of my "payback". For the students like myself, this is all about sharing the joy.

Now back to your regular programming :D

Bagger

bambam 03-16-2005 10:25 PM
Thanks, Yoda. This is great stuff!
 
I was experimenting w/ some things from these 2 videos today and it's helped me lift a little fog, but there is something I'm curious about. Contact was solid, but the clubhead felt like it approached the ball much shallower than I'm used to. When using this procedure (or a textbook swinging procedure) does it feel like the club takes a shallow aproach to the ball or should it feel more downward and steep?

It's just getting warm enough here to hit balls and be able to assess my ball flight - I've worked w/ flashlights to trace my plane line, but it's hard to tell if I'm tracing correctly during my actual downswing. My miss lately, and today was no exception, is a pull w/ a slight draw or a straight block.

Yoda 03-16-2005 11:04 PM
The Right Track Of The Right Forearm
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bambam
I was experimenting w/ some things from these 2 videos today and it's helped me lift a little fog, but there is something I'm curious about. Contact was solid, but the clubhead felt like it approached the ball much shallower than I'm used to. When using this procedure (or a textbook swinging procedure) does it feel like the club takes a shallow aproach to the ball or should it feel more downward and steep?

[Bold by Yoda.]
The genius of The Golfing Machine is that it is rooted in science. This is the new approach: Enigma and mystery morph into understanding through The Looking Glass that is Homer Kelley.

The answer to your question lies in 1-L-#10:

"The Lever Assembly must be driven through Impact by an On Plane force (moving toward the Plane Line)." [Bold italics mine.]

Almost all players come into Impact with the Right Elbow too 'high.' Consequently, the Right Forearm is pointing 'outside' -- and thus is not "moving toward" -- the Baseline of the Inclined Plane. If this 'too high' Feeling (of the Right Forearm) has now been replaced by a more 'shallow' Feeling (driving toward the Plane Line), then I would say you are very definitely...

On the Right Track!

bambam 03-17-2005 08:19 AM
Re: The Right Track Of The Right Forearm
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoda
...Almost all players come into Impact with the Right Elbow too 'high.' Consequently, the Right Forearm is pointing 'outside'...
That is the first thing I noticed about my swing last year when I started studying TGM more in depth and tracing the plane line. I've improved it a little, but this video seemed to really help. My focus has been on learning the rfp, pivot, and proper extensor action, so these videos have been especially helpful. Looking forward to more!

drewitgolf 03-17-2005 01:10 PM
The Slow Motion Drill
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Delaware Golf
Quote:
Originally Posted by drewitgolf
Quote:
Originally Posted by Delaware Golf
Cheers to driving the right forearm for swinging....

...then read "The Magic Move" in Harvey Penick's little red book...it's the same move...


DG
The only difference is Tomasello is making two seperate movements were Penick states, "This is one move, not two".

Tomasello's right arm moves independent of the right shoulder turn. Penick uses the Hip Turn of 7-14 to move the right shoulder and elbow together (one move).

Tom's demonstration in that section with the right arm coming down lacked rhythm (what I mean by that is the lower body didn't move with the movement of the right forearm).....Tommy was over stating the move.....trust me, when the move is executed with proper rhythm as you will see Tommy demonstrate in the following chapters, the move is like Penick's magic move...the weight shifts as Tommy brings the arms (right elbow) down..it's one move...the body is reacting to the motion of the right forearm...however, Penick's description of the magic move is not a complete swing....it's the first part of the swing...it's what Homer calls start down and it ends at the downstroke phase per chapter 8....

On page 96 of the Little Red Book (the Magic Move)....Penick does not mention any move by the hips....


DG
Says Penick (pg. 82)
"What is happening is that your golfing brain and your muscles are learning to start your downswing by planting your weight and moving your lower body to the left, and you are coming to the ball from inside with your hands quiet, trailing and still cocked, not leading and spending energy."

The Hip Turn of 7-14 and 2-N-1-B was the "moving your lower body to the left" I made reference to.

I do, however, look forward to your commentary and the remaining segments of the video.

Drew

Uppndownn 03-17-2005 05:29 PM
Great Video Clip.......Again
 
TT segment 2 .....another great lesson.
My view is that he taught the pivot first
which incorporated the right shoulder
moving down to initiate the downswing.
The return of the right elbow to the side
would be encompassed in the overatll pivot
motion as one move, not two.
Just my take.

Kudos once again to
Blakebuster Video


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