Hank Haney would LOVE the before pic . . . . bet her eyeballs were tired after around with the chin up that much . . . Nice work! That big bobbin' dip that Eldrick does may be so he can see the dang ball.

This is the girl compared to Fred. very close. different than the tour pro's.

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You think that Byron's head would have moved as much is he was not elbow plane through impact ??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI3w9...eature=related

Both these guys like right elbow bend too!

Ok. Could someone please tell me what moving the head and elbow plane is about? Are you saying that the Head must Lower?

[quote=12 piece bucket;64538]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1eTeKZmwsw&NR=1

This guy don't bob much and he chooses a very different address position to the pros above...much less stiff/upright...head down..foveas looking good etc ;)

No attempt (or at least unsuccessful) to get right forearm on the same plane at impact as address...but right forearm very much on plane at impact.

Some of my thoughts / interpretations put up for bashing around...

Bobbers ...have a sense of right forearm on plane and get their pivots to do whatever they have to do to get it there....as they all start off from an adjusted address which has not had the benefit of a "impact fix" education...they bob...

Mac (my take on his stuff - I know you dabbled in his dark arts too - so see if we agree :)) has an adjusted address which has been educated by the impact fix concept... his adjusted address sets head height and neck flexion and spine angle but he does not worry too much about wedges at adjusted address because he sets them early in a manner similar to Joe Dante and Joe Norwood....hmm were Norwood and Dante ever seen in the same room at the same time...;)

Are there two options for people that use an adjusted address which is not impact address??

Address shaft alignment = impact shaft angle but body dips to get the off plane address right forearm on plane for impact and...

Address shaft alignment lower than impact shaft alignment but the body alignments are same for adj.address and impact...right foream comes on plane for impact as right shoulder lowers and shaft leans forward.

Bash away...:laughing9

You think they doing it for fun??:laughing9 ...I am sure of nothing except...

It is a consistent feature of players with upright postures at adjusted address who are skillful enough to get the right forearm on plane at impact with lag etc...

If you start from an impact address then it doesn't arise IMO... but luckily I know how low i hold that opinion so nobody needs to get too upset if they think I am spouting "pigt" on this one...

Warning:- For over 18s with a sense of humour who are not offended by the english language and have been frustrated by predictive text messaging on mobile phones ;) :-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hcoT6yxFoU

I have become totally enamored with the right forearm on plane at set up. Now I'm trying to figure out why so many argue against it? What are the down sides?

It has helped me TREMENDOUSLY, and is something I never even thought about until studying Brian Gay's swing on Yoda's video.

We have a member at my club who is a multiple winner on the LPGA, and has played in several Solheim Cups. She is known as an excellent ball striker who is a bit weak in the putting department. I was watching her hit balls yesterday, guess where she sets her right forearm?

Not only does she set it right on plane EVERY TIME, but she was doing a slow motion drill that looked a lot like right forearm tracing. I didn't say anything or ask any questions as I don't want to say anything that would freak her out if she's fragile. Her teacher is Sam Carmichael from Indiana University. Does anyone know if he is TGM based?

Kevin

Not sure what fragile looks like in your part of the world Kev...but she sounds like she can handle a question or two !!:laughing9 :salut:

Sergio sets it up on plane when at preliminary address too..then adjusts himself to start swing with the shaft below forearm...but he sets the club every time on plane in preliminary address.

I still feel that you set the head and body angles with it on plane...then do whatever...arrange your wedges somehow and then thwumppp....

[quote=golfbulldog;64548]Byron's head moves down because of the patented dippy knees . . . Hogan also had his head move down in the backstroke to. Certainly you want to have a "steady" head . . . but if you think about it this way if the hips go forward you head is likely to go down some . . . if you bend a stick the top of it goes down. I'm sure we can find plenty of examples of heads that don't go down . . . regardless . . . these two gentlemen flat planed the golf club . . . thru the ball the clubs don't deviate much . . . Hello 3 Functions . . . Meet Mr. Hogan and Mr. Nelson.

[quote=golfbulldog;64550]There ain't nothing wrong with setting your Right Forearm On-Plane at Address. Particularly useful with Hitting . . . but I think Mr. Kelley would be less dogmatic about it with Swinging. Now the question to answer is WHY do most cats on tour NOT set their forearm On-Plane? Probably because the don't know anything about the alignment . . .and the may think it looks "different". But that being said most of the great ball strikers DO have the Right Forearm on-plane with the shaft at Impact? Why? I would submit that its because even though they may or may not have a centered pivot . . . they get the Right Shoulder location deal . . . PLUS I think Physics plays a role . . . these guys are swinging the club at speeds that physics are going to produce some of the alignments that we like to see because . . . . well . .. that's the way it works. The forces are so great that they just line everything up when the motion is efficient. I'm mean look at Furyk . . . he's got some MAJOR whacky stuff going on but when he gets down there where the bidness is to be done within certain constraints he's not a whole lot different than some of the other more "conventional" looking swings. Again it comes down to the 3 Functions and controlling the face . . . Furyk is GREAT at that. So for the club to work like it should on plane through the ball . . . the plane is gonna produce some of the alignments because that's how laws of nature make it work.