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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 68727)

For sure 12 Piece. I love that move.

In regard to this particular swing I wonder whether it is an insight into his machine adjustments for an extreme "special purposes" type situation. Hogan going John Daly for the camera. I think this swing from his late forties shot making demonstration at Augusta, not a tournament or a practice session even. He seems to be hanging back to me more than normal, if you watch the entire swing he backs out of the shot actually. My guess is that he was, in our terms, moving his left shoulder back vis a vis the ball to add some height to the trajectory in addition to really swinging hard it. A Remax Long Drive type swing deal. Nothing is new I guess. He is sacrificing balance (very, very rare for him) for launch angle and distance. I only mention this because while its a very interesting swing from a power move perspective and machine adjustment perspective, it isnt I dont think representative of his swing pre accident, Power Golf , or his tournament swing from that era or anything. Not exactly.

Could be . . . however I have seen Hogan make some "fall back" looking swings. I think there were times that he tried to beat on it with the driver. I mean if you look at the footage in the Shell match . . . the driver swings look considerably more long and slashy . . . even in power golf you can see the difference in the iron swings vs. driver swings in the amount of arm swing he has.

that being said . . . you can ALWAYS see that use the ground principle with Hogan.

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Originally Posted by BurleyGolf (Post 68722)

Maybe more in the new action?

Interesting. Tiger did say something to the effect that his repaired left knee will allow him to do some things he couldnt previously. Could he be referring to a Hoganesque pivot around his left leg courtesy of a Hip Slide with a Delayed Turn? Cant get stuck from there.

If you pull the first two pics of Tiger off to your desktop you can click on them and turn them into a little animation that shows his Hip Slide nicely. The left knee has to go with it, anticipate it even but Im thinking while training this move its a Hip thing not a Knee thing for the brain. Tigers got a little Float Load there even which may be related. I try to float load and can struggle with it if my Hips arent sliding, or so I find.

Im guessing neither of these guys ever heard of the Angle of Approach so it'd be a Slide parallel to the Target Line most likely. The Left Knee doing the same.

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 68737)

Here is this what you wanted to see....?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNl0WxCNlGU

Nice, thanks for sharing. Very Hogan like with the Hip Slide to my eye. It makes sense, Hank is from Texas after all.

Eh Burl, you Hoser?

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 68743)

Nice, thanks for sharing. Very Hogan like with the Hip Slide to my eye. It makes sense, Hank is from Texas after all.

Eh Burl, you Hoser?

LoL..Eh!

You know, I have never been a big follower of Haney and Tiger is pretty smart feller. I think Haney is more of an eye for Tiger, and old TW has his own course to his swing plotted out. QUOTE from Haney on PGATour.com "Hank Haney says Tiger Woods is getting better at fixing flaws in his swing on his own".

Haney is not a bad teacher, I don't think? Just look though for a second at who all he has worked with and what have they done... Mark O'mera was his first horse that had a decent run on tour in a time that ball striking was a focal point. Then Haney had 3 pony's in the stable 2 boys and 1 girl better known as the Kuehne's, who all had great junior records but never quite mustard. Next came Colt Knost who came along by way of SMU connection I believe still waiting to see what he does. Lastly, Tiger Woods who before coming to Haney had no trouble in making a name for himself and helped Haney's name become more popular than BoB Barker. Point is Haney has never really had any players before Tiger besides O'Mera so what could he have brought to the table other than his life work has been about club head plane and mastering a bad personal problem of driving the golf ball. Such an interesting choice for Tiger to go to Compared to Butch Harmon's success as a teacher is all I am saying...

BurleyGolf-

Haney's work with Tiger has moved him more towards Hogan's pattern, but the downside is that Tiger tends more towards a simultaneous release, more of a hitter. If he ever fixes his left hand and stops steering around the course he won't have any more final rounds like in China this week.

If you look at Hogan's hands, you can see he is just holding on to the club, the hands are clamps.

If you look at what Tiger is doing in the last year or two, he is making adjustments for impact. He steers it better than anyone, but he is still steering!

Not surprising his instincts are more of a hitter through impact, given his childhood instructor (John Anselmo) had him focus very much on the right wrist bend. the startup swivel and sequenced release of Hogan is a very different feel.

If he would just adjust his left hand grip, I think tiger will be much closer to Hogan, and much, much more consistent.