Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 74863)

Intent: If you have constant acceleration from the top past impact - then you have constant lag pressure- in that regard there is no release, no release feel. The clubhead lags behind the hands - doesn't get thrown past the hands during release.

That creates a situation where the right wrist is more bent, which creates a condition where the right arm is more bent at impact, which creates a condition where the clubhshaft can arrive at impact on the proper lie angle that is built into it, creating a right shoulder that is lower at impact, which creates a condition where there is more lateral bend of the trunk at impact, which creates a condition where the hips have slid out of the way, which creates the knee rolling in and the right ankle rolling in.

In contrast, you have the intent or habit of releasing the club, throwing it past the hands in the effort or belief to get power, which flattens out the right wrist, which straightens the right arm, which raises the clubshaft angle through impact, which creates a high right shoulder, creating little lateral bending of the trunk through impact, creating less hip slide movement, creating right knee and ankle movements that move out and up - as opposed to in and around. This results in a finish position of the body with little side bend into the follow-through.

Originally Posted by tyfu20 (Post 74865)

Mike you have given me a lot to think about and I will heed your advice.. I've struggled with throwing the club for a while, I will work on maintaining my angles among other things. Thanks for your time.

Steve

Originally Posted by grantc79 (Post 74864)

That's definitely a swing.

My novice advice would be to try to make the swing ENTIRELY right arm focused. Literally try to make everything else not exist and/or be simply along for the ride.

For me it is as much of a mental thing as it is a golfing thing. Consider it this way:

Swinging = a factory. There is lots of workers, lots of machines, several stations all working to create one thing.

Hitting = a blacksmith with a hammer. There is one thing, one guy, one station, it is simplicity.

The great thing about less moving parts is you have less things to break down. The bad thing about simplicity is it doesn't take much to wreck the motion.

For the take away, make it completely right fore arm driven. Let the body respond to movement but not create movement. Try to keep the club face from opening in your take away, almost like you wanted to keep the club face pointed at the ball for as long as possible.

For the down stroke, keep your right foot stuck in the ground for as long as you can. Feel like the hips are quiet, the feet are quiet, the knees are quiet, everything is just kinda there.

Then simply use the right arm to power down and out through the ball.


A swinger uses his entire body to create power to transfer to the ball.

A hitter simply positions his body in such a way to provide a stable base to drive the right arm down the plane line.


For me the trick is to feel like the body and pivot is no longer powering everything like a swinger does and truly make EVERYTHING right arm centric.

You'll know when you do it because it is a COMPLETELY different feeling.

Originally Posted by grantc79 (Post 74864)

A swinger uses his entire body to create power to transfer to the ball.

A hitter simply positions his body in such a way to provide a stable base to drive the right arm down the plane line.

Originally Posted by BerntR (Post 75119)

Grantc,

I'm afraid this is a myth. And one that may be very counter productive for a lot of golfers trying to hit the ball. If this were true you should be able to hit the long ball without even moving the right shoulder. That is never going to happen.

All great hitters also have a good pivot motion. For some it is very different from a good swinger's pivot. For others it is very similar. They pull from the left side as well. Take a look at Yoda hitting and swinging. The part from feet to shoulders is basically inseparable!

Originally Posted by BerntR (Post 75119)

Grantc,

I'm afraid this is a myth. And one that may be very counter productive for a lot of golfers trying to hit the ball. If this were true you should be able to hit the long ball without even moving the right shoulder. That is never going to happen.

All great hitters also have a good pivot motion. For some it is very different from a good swinger's pivot. For others it is very similar. They pull from the left side as well. Take a look at Yoda hitting and swinging. The part from feet to shoulders is basically inseparable!

Originally Posted by gmbtempe (Post 75156)

Just a couple of random Friday morning thoughts.

I think a lot more people start off as hitters rather than swingers, despite the fact that many of the tour are swingers. I think popular instruction takes talented people and guides them to a swinging pattern. Naturally I think many people start off with right arm power to hit the ball rather than a left shoulder arm tug. I know unless I concentrate on pulling with the left arm and shoulder to pull the arrow out of the quiver I never have that feel, its very much of the right arm making the motion.

Question for anyone who has messed with both, I have found that I actually have better alignments hitting rather than swinging but when I try to take it to the course it does not hold up. Anyone have this happen as well?