Garcia
 

I've done the 10-5-E Plane and it's corresponding camera location. The results are surprising. You can't appreciate the geometry until you film one swing with multiple cameras (one under, one on, and one over Plane).

The camera angle of Sergio on the same day and tee is not as good. The camera is under Plane.

Glad to hear that, Yoda :salut:

I speculated about something similar in a more general form. Then reported that I saw traces of it in Hogan's stroke.

But where Hogan has perhaps a little of this I believe Garcia has it in spades. At one instance his clubshaft is almost horizontal and then it steepens a lot towards impact. At least that's how it seemed on a video I checked. Seeing how pivot driven Garcia is (and now that I've just learned that he is a poster child for swinging) it seems unthinkable that his changes in clubshaft plane angle towards impact is caused by steering.

There is also something about Garcia's stroke that gives me the feeling that he is "all in" power wise. There seems to be no holding back there and everything he does seem to be geared towards generating speed and lag pressure. He seems to make a bigger effort in each full stroke than many of his competitors, and I often get the feeling that he could gain some precision and consistency if he tamed his power somehow. But he doesn't need to ease down to be precise does he? So it can't be raw power. It is power with precise alignments. Perhaps Garcia's stroke can teach us something that is more or less present in a lot of good strokes?

Here you can watch Garcia "in the cube":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sZ6QQAjc0M

Stricker-Less
 

And now back to our regular programming!

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Stevio Garciker
 

How did that happen so quickly?

I heard it here first , folks.
 

So in one you've got a Plane Line drawn for Club Shaft Plane of motion considerations with the camera seemingly set up pretty well all things considered. Situation normal we see this all the time right. You'd normally tend to think that he looped it under plane. But those guys can hit it with their feet and bodies pointed any which way, right.

So where's he pointing his plane line really? Is that what you mean, Luke? Dont judge a book by looking at its foot line or stance? Those inclined plane lines are subject to parallax and further more we dont really know what he is trying to do and we shouldnt make any assumptions given his setup, foot line in particular.

Second one is Sweetspot plane of motion only which shows a nice little 2D ish circle seen in perspective ...which means that circle has a plane and a plane line which appears to point right to some degree. If it points far enough right of where the ball started you've got Divergence, tilted backspin and a draw.

Hmmm. That sweetspot orbit is more telling isnt it! The path of the sweetspot vs face angle is what its really all about I guess right? Well Ill be. In the photo below his shaft even appears to be planed to the sweetspot orbit far better than the assumed plane line . I gotta do some more thinking on this.

Or maybe Im all wrong again and Stricker just totally pooched that shot. Where'd it end up anyways, Luke.

2-f
 

"2-F PLANE OF MOTION All the action of the Golf Club takes place on a flat, inflexible, Inclined Plane which extends well beyond the circumference of the stroke – in every direction. The full length of the Clubshaft remains unwaveringly on the face of this Inclined Plane – Waggle to Follow-through. Every other Component of the Stroke must be adjusted to comply with that requirement. See Sketch 1-L. That includes the Right Forearm. See 5-0. The player must hold the Forearm in the Feel of the same plane per 7-3, dynamically in-line. Picture the javelin thrower with the right elbow and On Plane right forearm leading the hand toward the target (Delivery Line) all during Delivery. See 6-B-1. The Right Forearm of every Hacker comes into Impact too high – pointing beyond the Delivery Line during Downstroke (2-J-3, 7-3). Study 2-G and Components 5, 6, and 7.

Regardless of where the Clubshaft and Clubhead are joined together, it always feels as if they are joined at the Sweet Spot – the longitudinal center of gravity, the line of the pull of Centrifugal Force. So there is a “Clubshaft” Plane and a “Sweet Spot,” or “Swing”, Plane. But herein, unless otherwise noted, “Plane Angle” and “Plane Line” always refer to the Center of Gravity application. Study 2-N. Except during Impact, the Clubshaft can travel on, or to- and – from, either Plane because the Clubshaft rotation must be around the Sweet Spot – not vice versa. So Clubhead “Feel” is Clubhead Lag Pressure (6-C) and is a Golfing Imperative. (2-0). If Lag Pressure is lost the Hands tend to start the hosel (instead of the Sweet Spot) toward Impact – that mysterious “Shank.” When in doubt, “Turn” the Clubface so both the Clubshaft and Sweet Spot will be on the same plane at Start Down. Both Planes always pass through the Lag Pressure Point. Study 6-C-2-A.

There are some very simple but very accurate checks for being “On Plane.” Whenever the Clubshaft is parallel to the ground it must also be parallel to the base line of the Inclined Plane which is usually (but not always) the Line of Flight also.

Otherwise, the end of the Club that is closest to the ground must be pointing at the base line of the Inclined Plane – or extensions of that line, even if they must be extended to the horizon."

So, the Clubshaft is much less important to me than the COG application.

And, I agree with you that there are many questions when looking at a video: Stance Line? Delivery Line? Intended Curvature? Intended Trajectory?

I find this thread fascinating and desperately want to participate, but I've got nothin'. :crybaby:

I just want to be sure you know there are other interested onlookers. Thanks Ted! :salut:

Kevin

Regardless of his plane of motion and the camera angle there should be a symmetry around the drawn plane line before and after low point. If he were swinging on a flat plane, that is. His sweet spot is clearly inside of the drawn line towards impact. Yet he stays on the line past impact. If he were moving the sweeet spot on a flat plane he should be moving outside the line past impact.

Hey Bernt I dont know how to draw the plane line over top of the dots.....maybe Luke or D can.

But when I hold a pencil up to where Luke drew the plane line in this picture below I see the dots on the far side, post impact, emerging above the plane line but seemingly way closer to the plane line. If you know what I mean. Anyways Im thinking it could be perspective, illusionary. What do you think?

If you take a CD and draw a straight line down its center , 12 to 6 o'clock on the dial and then turn it to an oblique angle similar to Mr. Strickers sweetspot plane of motion ......would not the far side of the cd look closer to the center line than the near side?

Just wondering ....... Either that or he bent his Sweetspot plane of motion , bent the CD down the middle.

Well now I don't feel so bad about being under plane with shoulders closed with not much of a divot.