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Left hand or Right club face "control"

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 90229)

I understand, and it's an interesting comparison. But the Flat Left Wrist is the Flat Left Wrist. If it's Bent or Arched then you sacrifice Rhythm to the extent of it's Bent or Arched condition.

Turning the Left Hand to the Top of the Shaft (10-2-D), you substitute Bending and Arching for Cocking and Uncocking and Visa Versa. The Left Arm Wedge is aligned at 0 degrees (its On Plane at Impact). You'll need to Unbend the Right Wrist because its on the same Plane as the Uncocking Left Wrist. Controlled Throwaway.

While the Right Forearm seeks its Angle of Approach for Impact, it is the responsibility of the Right Forearm Wedge, to return the Left Wrist to whatever Alignments assigned to it at Impact Fix. When the Wedges are Aligned at 90 degrees, it's the function of the Right Forearm Wedge to return the Left Wrist to Vertical, Level and Flat for Impact. It has no choice; it can only do that, it's aligned for that, it exists for that, regardless of Hinge Action. Extensor Action gives the Right Forearm Wedge this control.

Except when using the Elbow Plane, the Right Forearm Wedge is Only On-Plane (Aligned to the Swing Plane) for the Impact Interval.

Nice.

D, I think you prefer the right hand for club face control maybe. Fine by me , there are options! Trillions of em. Homer to my understanding stuck to Left Hand Clubface , Right Hand Clubhead till at least 1982. The Right Elbow being problematic when using the Right Hand for Hinging. But was there not a change to the definition of Hinge ACtion in the 7th to include either hand and Vertical or Parallel to the Basic Plane? Is Parallel in regard to the turned left hand of 10-2-D?

Ben Hogan said "The left hand is the steering wheel, the right hand is the gas". While "gas" is open to interpretation perhaps and off topic it would seem to me that "steering wheel" is club face control. Angled for him yes often but he did all three hinge actions to my eye. Manipulated Hands Swinging. His Alignments in Finish Swivel being beautifully telling, often revealing of his Hinge Action and shop shaping geometry.

Everything that guy did was beautiful and yet he got that way by stripping away everything that wasn't useful. the most beautiful of forms but still a product of function. I gotta get me some function ....

Like you I "feel" very much like its a right sided deal although with the left shoulder is the centre ......meaning its a left sided swing by definition. If you know what I mean. Im all ride sided but Im not Right ARm Swinging, which by definition would have the centre at the Right Elbow. Which raises another question for ya... Does the Right Arm Swinger use EA? If he did wouldn't that re establish the Left Shoulder as the Centre? Right Arm Swingers often have soft , bent left arms right? Me Im EA on , left arm as a string or sometimes a rod.... they're both forms of EA to my mind.

The Left Sided stroke is a Right Sided thing, I couldn't agree more. That's why you're Club Champ. Right Wrist Clubface Control? Not me.

When you say "Control" and I say "Control" it should mean the same thing. Clubface Control is dominated by Hinge Action.

The Left Arm check-reins the Right Elbow. The Right Forearm Wedge helps. They work together. Left Hand - Clubface; Right Hand - Clubhead. But both hands are on the Club.

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Siegfried: How do I know you're not Control?
Maxwell Smart: If I were Control, you'd already be dead.
Siegfried: If you were Control, you'd already be dead.
Maxwell Smart: Neither of us is dead, so I am obviously not from Control.
Shtarker: That actually makes sense.

"I asked you not to tell me that".

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 90239)

The Left Arm check-reins the Right Elbow. The Right Forearm Wedge helps. They work together. Left Hand - Clubface; Right Hand - Clubhead. But both hands are on the Club.

D, when you say "control" I have to say "the cone of silence hasn't worked in weeks, Max".

My apologies. I got you wrong on the right hand face control thing.

The above is exactly what I feel Im swinging, the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. You need EA to make it all work, make the Triad work I believe.

Wrist conditions , grip pressures , the loading of the pressure points , various combos of wrist firmness are so key. The two hands have a lot to manage or Control in the war against KAOS.

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 90239)

how is a left sided swing a right sided thing?, forget the right arm and wedge in a left arm swing, the right arm doesn't "help" or should not "help" in a true swing through impact, the only help it should give is a little extensor and the right forearm startup, the left arm is pulling the number 3 pp down its delivery line pulling the right arm through, with it's proper closing and structure thanks to extensor which gives the arms their "effortless checkrein action"

push or pull pick one not both and you will be much better off

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Originally Posted by whip (Post 90316)

Well,,,,,I won't disagree. However, Right Forearm Participation is vastly underrated. I'm saying that when "Extensor" Action is applied, the Left Arm Stroke is a Right Sided thing.

I knocked off about 30 - twenty yard chip shots yesterday. Extensor action allowed the stroke Right Sided control. I added "Layback" to some of them. I had Left Side Control of the Clubface, and Right Side Control of the Clubhead.

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1-F RIGHT ARM OR LEFT The “mystery” of the Mechanics of Golf fades away when Right Arm participation is understood (6-B-1). Whether its participation is active or passive is difficult to detect visually because in either case the Left Arm is ALWAYS SWINGING and the Right Forearm is ALWAYS DRIVING. But it is always a Left Arm Stroke unless the Right Elbow replaces the Left Shoulder as the center of Clubhead Arc. (10-3-K)

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7-3 STROKES – BASIC ....
With this “in-line” relationship of Loading and Right Forearm, it is absolutely MANDATORY that, Hitting or Swinging, it is the Right Forearm – not just the Right Hand and/or Clubshaft – that must be thrown, or driven, into Impact per 7-2-3.

especially on short chips and putts though if you are swinging, its very much a left arm pulling through pulling the right arm straight, endowed with it's extensor yes, but it is still the left arm the left hand pulling feeling, leading the right arm as it follows the left. even on a 2 inch putt push or pull

Left Shoulder as Center of swing

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 90236)

Nice.

Ben Hogan said "The left hand is the steering wheel, the right hand is the gas". While "gas" is open to interpretation perhaps and off topic it would seem to me that "steering wheel" is club face control. Angled for him yes often but he did all three hinge actions to my eye. Manipulated Hands Swinging. His Alignments in Finish Swivel being beautifully telling, often revealing of his Hinge Action and shop shaping geometry.

Like you I "feel" very much like its a right sided deal although with the left shoulder is the centre ......meaning its a left sided swing by definition. If you know what I mean. Im all ride sided but Im not Right ARm Swinging, which by definition would have the centre at the Right Elbow. Which raises another question for ya... Does the Right Arm Swinger use EA? If he did wouldn't that re establish the Left Shoulder as the Centre? Right Arm Swingers often have soft , bent left arms right? Me Im EA on , left arm as a string or sometimes a rod.... they're both forms of EA to my mind.

Hi guys! When I bump my left hip to "take up the slack" as seen in the video below, I feel Extensor Action and the stretch in my left shoulder as my trigger to thrust my right arm all the way down plane until it is fully extended. In that way, I feel as if, while Hitting, my left shoulder is the "center" of my Hit. That feeling of Hip slide also makes the Finish Swivel so automatic and sensible.

http://lynnblakegolf.com/index.php?option=com_hwdvideoshare&task=viewvideo& Itemid=85&video_id=118

Am I on your page of the book, sort of? :lurk:

ICT

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 90413)

I particularly like the part that says "I feel Extensor Action and the stretch in my left shoulder as my trigger to thrust my right arm all the way down plane until it is fully extended."

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 90413)

If you're using your Right Arm to Push the Inert Left Arm off the chest , Homer would say you're Hitting.

If you're doing the above but with a Pitch Right Elbow and the Right Elbow as the centre of your Right Arm swing...Homer would say you're a Right Arm Swinger.

A Hitting we will go!

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 90465)

Hitting DOWN!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ting#post56338

Thanks James!

ICT