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Yoda 08-01-2012 09:11 PM

Understanding Homer Kelley and 'Manipulated Hands'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 93248)

In 7-3 Homer describes Grip Rotation for manipulated Hands Swingers and Hitters (basically all of us). As you take the ball back along the Arc of Approach to your desired placement you Rotate the handle in your hands . . .

O.B. Left, one of the great seekers, thinkers, and writers on LBG, has made an important point. One I fear is lost on most of us (as it was on me until I carefully re-read his post).

He states, "...as you take the BALL [emphasis mine] back along the Arc of Approach...". He did not say the CLUB!

To think that the golfer 'manipulates' the Hands during the Stoke is one of the Great Misconceptions of TGM. (There are many.) O.B.'s post assumes you know this, but long experience tells me you do not.

ALL 'Hand Manipulation' -- Hands to Handle/Clubface -- occurs when the Grip is taken in Fix (7-8; 8-2; 2-J-1) with the BALL in the desired location (Up Plane [back in Stance] or Down Plane [forward] for the Stoke intended. It does not take place dynamically during the Stroke.

Pre-empting the next question, Hinge Actions -- there are three, each the direct responsibility of the Hands -- are not 'Manipulations'. Instead, they are 10th Component Variations that maintain their respective identities despite any Left Wrist-to-Clubface alterations assumed at Fix.

8-)

O.B.Left 08-01-2012 11:45 PM

Wud I miss ? Thanks Yoda.

Yes Grip Rotation listed under Hitters in 6-H-0 is also the procedure for manipulated Hands Swingers . Making me think that the Imperatives of 6-H-0 , Swinging, should really be considered those for True Swinging. But I dunno.

Grip Rotation is one reason I prefer round grips personally. Think about it. I suppose you could rotate a ribbed grip or whatever you call em when you glue them on so the rib sits just right when the face is square at the clubs Straight Away Position, but then it'd get rotated clock or anti clock of that for balls played fore or aft of that ball position, no?

Im going to bed you TGM guys talk about some weird stuff.

Ps

Anyone ever considered how the more you move the ball back, the more you rotate your grip , the more your Standard Wrist Action approaches Sing..........ah forget it.

O.B.Left 08-02-2012 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 93290)

Pre-empting the next question, Hinge Actions -- there are three, each the direct responsibility of the Hands -- are not 'Manipulations'. Instead, they are 10th Component Variations that maintain their respective identities despite any Left Wrist-to-Clubface alterations assumed at Fix.

The Hands are just clamps after all.


Ahh Yoda posts ...... I love em.

O.B.Left 08-02-2012 03:28 PM

Dan where are you in Fla? Im heading that way next March it would seem.

fladan 08-02-2012 07:16 PM

OB:

I am the HP at pine tree golf club in boynton beach, suburb of palm beach
You and any other LBG folks are always welcome!

PM me if you would like to stop by...

O.B.Left 08-02-2012 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fladan (Post 93332)
OB:

I am the HP at pine tree golf club in boynton beach, suburb of palm beach
You and any other LBG folks are always welcome!

PM me if you would like to stop by...

Will do Dan. Im coming to Fla next March just not sure if its left or right side as of yet.

BTW have you ever played Seminole, just up the road from you. I can't even find photos of that course on line. Super exclusive .... Last time I was in Miami I called the pro shop and was very, very politely denied access. Despite my begging , pleading.

fladan 08-04-2012 05:21 AM

Bad news OB. Seminole is a guest of member
Deal only! my suggestion is to make friends in high places.

Hope to see you in the spring.

O.B.Left 08-04-2012 01:34 PM

I could try the "Canadians only" door maybe. Thats how Knudson "met" Hogan actually.

http://www.fairwaysgolf.ca/article.php?id=95


Thanks Dan

Florida Lefty 08-04-2012 07:47 PM

Seminole allows various charities to have outings usually the week after Mother's Day when they close for the summer. Something can be arranged.

O.B.Left 08-04-2012 11:29 PM

Thats interesting FlaLefty..... early May kinda sorta . Hmmm


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