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fogger 10-15-2005 11:32 PM

Left Wrist Plane
 
Yoda,
Thanks for the animated visuals on the movement of the wrists. I've typically focused on the correct bend for the right wrist and not giving too much thought to the left wrist cock and now realize I was also bending the left wrist backwards on the backswing, sort of pronating it.

Fogger.

Yoda 10-16-2005 02:13 AM

Let There Be Music!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fogger
Yoda,
Thanks for the animated visuals on the movement of the wrists. I've typically focused on the correct bend for the right wrist and not giving too much thought to the left wrist cock and now realize I was also bending the left wrist backwards on the backswing, sort of pronating it.

Fogger.

Thanks, Fogger. We've got a lot more video in store for you. Stay tuned!

Meanwhile, know that the Right Wrist -- attempting to stay Vertical to the Plane (instead of Turned) -- can cause the Left Wrist to Arch at the Top. And the Left Wrist, with too much Turn, can cause the Right Wrist to Flatten.

In Piano, there is a Right Hand part.

There is a Left Hand part.

And there is both Hands together:

Music!

Bagger Lance 10-17-2005 12:52 AM

The video is now posted in the Gallery. It's a 56MB file in it's original format.
A big thank you once again to Doug for sharing this.

Bagger

teach 10-17-2005 05:16 PM

re: Now in gallery
 
Bagger Lance,

Now I was able to save the clip. Thank you.

teach

sirpops 11-03-2005 12:31 PM

Viewing Videos
 
The site administrator told me that you need to do the following in order to view videos posted on the site. Each time you sign in {upper right hand corner of home page" you must check the "Remember Me" box. Something to do with cookies. I don't understand, but it works

havenjm 11-15-2005 09:52 AM

Mind Bending
 
I've been on the fence between getting into the PGA program, or going through the TGM teacher training. It took 3 minutes and 50seconds of seeing TGM in action to make it brutally clear which direction I should go.

I can't even begin to describe how superior that was to the numerous lessons I've observed from PGA professionals. TGM in action is a beautiful thing.

annikan skywalker 11-15-2005 12:18 PM

PGA or TGM? Need Both!!!
 
Do Both....TGM will help you find the Truth...the PGA will help you get places ...You'll be better off!!! Trust me ...I know from 17 years of experience and over 18,000 lessons...GET your Class A AND yur TGM education.

drewitgolf 11-15-2005 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Do Both....TGM will help you find the Truth...the PGA will help you get places ...You'll be better off!!! Trust me ...I know from 17 years of experience and over 18,000 lessons...GET your Class A AND yur TGM education.

Truer words were never spoken. The PGA will get your foot in the door. TGM will seperate you from the pack.

birdie_man 11-15-2005 04:27 PM

Maybe someday it'll be TGM that gets one's foot in the door. :)

powerdraw 11-17-2005 07:35 PM

great clip yoda. simple and too the point.

Fred Brattain 12-22-2005 10:22 PM

problems
 
I have a problem loading and viewing the video. My SP on Windows XP is too recent to allow the download of the codecs required to view the video. I am new to G.O.L.F. having been sent here by a dear friend. So this is just a BIT frustrating (grin)

Fred

Doug 12-22-2005 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred Brattain
I have a problem loading and viewing the video. My SP on Windows XP is too recent to allow the download of the codecs required to view the video. I am new to G.O.L.F. having been sent here by a dear friend. So this is just a BIT frustrating (grin)

Fred

Right click on the link and save target as or save link as.

You be saving it to your hard drive and have it forever.

Fred Brattain 12-23-2005 01:36 AM

link not working
 
When I finally sorted out the plug in issues, through an MS XP update group, I was able to link and view all the videos.

If you have questions about how to do this, start to finish, e-mail me privately.

Fred:)

Sbark 12-25-2005 11:21 AM

Any avail....
 
any available training aids that prevent the right wrist from "cocking"..............could see the Greg Norman Secret helping somewhat, but could use wide flange around the sides of the wrist..

any other out there?
thanks

Yoda 12-25-2005 01:08 PM

Drills For The Bent Right Wrist
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sbark

Any available training aids that prevent the right wrist from "cocking"..............

Here is a Drill Series that requires no training aid but could really help:

Part I

1. Go to the Top of your Backstroke;

2. Open the right palm completely, but leave the fingers encircling the Club;

3. Slide the fingers down the Shaft -- split the Grip -- about 6-8 inches. Notice that your Right Wrist is now only Bent, not Cocked.

4. Keeping the Left Hand still, pull the Shaft down (toward your Right Shoulder) with the fingers of your right Hand. Feel the Left Wrist Cock slightly more as the Right Elbow bends. Do this several times.

5. Hold the split-grip position ten seconds and memorize the aligned position.

6. Repeat as often as necessary until you subconsciously Feel and move into the correct alignment.

Part II

Leave the Grip split and take the fully assembled Power Package into the Start Down area and then return to the Top. Down and Out and then Up and Back and then Down and Out and then Up and Back. Really feel your Pivot Transporting the entire unit -- Down and Out and then Up and Back. Let the Pivot lead in both directions. Feel that your Hands remain at the Top as your Pivot leads you down and use your Right Elbow (pulling down the Bent Right Wrist and fingers) to Cock your Left Wrist a tiny bit more. Keep all motion parallel to the Plane Line, and Pull the butt end of the Club directly toward it.

Part III

Assume your normal Grip -- eliminate the split Grip -- and repeat Part II. Again, monitor the Plane Line and Pull the Club directly toward it. Feel the Downstroke Pivot increasing the Left Wristcock slightly during the Start Down.

************************************************** ****************

This Drill Series will not only help ingrain the Bent Right Wrist, it will also aid immeasurably in learning the correct Lag Loading (by the Pivot without any independent Arm Motion) during the Start Down. In turn, the correct Start Down will help overcome the Golfer's Public Enemy #1 -- Clubhead Throwaway and its Overacceleration that results in Quitting through Impact.

12 piece bucket 12-25-2005 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda
Here is a Drill Series that requires no training aid but could really help:

Part I

1. Go to the Top of your Backstroke;

2. Open the right palm completely, but leave the fingers encircling the Club;

3. Slide the fingers down the Shaft -- split the Grip -- about 6-8 inches.

4. Keeping the Left Hand still, pull the Shaft down (toward your Right Shoulder) with the fingers of your right Hand. Feel the Left Wrist Cock slightly more as the Right Elbow bends. Do this several times.

5. Hold the split-grip position ten seconds and memorize the aligned position.

6. Repeat as often as necessary until you subconsciously Feel and move into the correct alignment.

Part II

Leave the Grip split and take the fully assembled Power Package into the Start Down area and then return to the Top. Down and Out and then Up and Back and then Down and Out and then Up and Back. Really feel your Pivot Transporting the entire unit -- Down and Out and then Up and Back. Let the Pivot lead in both directions. Feel that your Hands remain at the Top as your Pivot leads you down and use your Right Elbow (pulling down the Bent Right Wrist and fingers) to Cock your Left Wrist a tiny bit more. Keep all motion parallel to the Plane Line, and Pull the butt end of the Club directly toward it.

Part III

Assume your normal Grip -- eliminate the split Grip -- and repeat Part II. Again, monitor the Plane Line and Pull the Club directly toward it. Feel the Downstroke Pivot increasing the Left Wristcock slightly during the Start Down.

************************************************** ****************

This Drill Series will not only help ingrain the Bent Right Wrist, it will also aid immeasurably in learning the correct Lag Loading (by the Pivot without any independent Arm Motion) during the Start Down. In turn, the correct Start Down will help overcome the Golfer's Public Enemy #1 -- Clubhead Throwaway and its Overacceleration that results in Quitting through Impact.

Dr. Collards,

Is this a bit like the Bertholy Method TGM style? Rod and Claw or whatever that deal was/is?

Thanks!

B

Yoda 12-25-2005 11:32 PM

Paul And Missy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket

Is this a bit like the Bertholy Method TGM style?

B

Yes, Colonel, I trained under Paul in the spring of 1983. I was interested in how his work in kinesiology could be applied to the Alignment Golf of The Golfing Machine®. He was a great guy, and his wife, Missy, made wonderful luncheon sandwiches!

Jabinjax 12-26-2005 09:53 PM

Flying Wedges Training Device
 
SBARK,

In his post above, Yoda has provided an excellent drill to help train the right wrist not to cock.

I have also used a device known as "The Key" by Gary Wirens to help train the Left and Right Arm Flying Wedges. The device provides a partial training effect for training the right wrist not to cock.

The device is a wrist strap about 12" long that you wear on the back of your left or right forearm. It attaches to the arm with two velcro straps. "The Key" comes in a left and a right hand model, although you can get the right hand model and flip it and use it on your left forearm as well. "The Key" can be bent and when worn on the right hand you bend it to establish the desired amount of right wrist bend. When used with the left arm it is kept straight or slightly convex.

When worn on the left forearm it gives a very good feel for the Left Arm Flying Wedge. When you hit balls while wearing it you will understand the meaning of 1-L-8, "No portion of the primary lever assembly can swing forward independently".

When worn on the right forearm it establishes and helps maintain the Right Arm Flying Wedge from Startup through Follow Through. With the right wrist bent and held fairly rigidly in place by "The Key" it is difficult to cock and uncock your right wrist.

You can buy both the left and right arm versions and wear them both when practicing. It is also useful for practicing one armed chips. I was introduced to "The Key" by Cooper Osborne, GSEM.

More information is available at the following website:
http://golfaroundtheworld.com/key.htm.

Good Luck!:)

Sbark 12-28-2005 09:37 AM

Thanks
 
thanks for the reference to the Key, I have Greg Normans plastic right wrist (the "secret") which would be similar,
just seems both focus on right wrist bend but both allow some degree of right wrist cock

dansch 01-01-2006 06:05 PM

When I opened this I got sound but no picture. This is the same thing that happens to me with several of the videos in the Gallery. Do I need to join a service or something?

Happy New Year and thank you.

dansch 01-02-2006 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teach
Thanks Trig. I tried again several hours later and still got no response. Can you please let us know when the video is available on the LBG server?

teach

Trig, I have done everything I can think of, downloaded updates, installed new Window Player 10, downloaded the vid to my hard drive, even tried opening it with Real Player, no luck.
PLEASE HELP.

Dan

Bagger Lance 01-02-2006 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dansch
Trig, I have done everything I can think of, downloaded updates, installed new Window Player 10, downloaded the vid to my hard drive, even tried opening it with Real Player, no luck.
PLEASE HELP.

Dan

Dan,

I appreciate your efforts in trying to get the video to play. I have similar troubles with avi files because I haven't downloaded the avi codec plugin for Windows Media Player. It may actually be there, but another program stepped on it. In any case, the player knows how to handle the audio stream but not the video.
You may have a similar problem with wmv files. We didn't produce the video so I don't know how it was rendered. Doug did the work.
If your media player will not play any wmv files, which is the Microsoft default codec, then there is likely a missing or corrupt media player file on your system. You may need a reinstall of Media Player, not an upgrade.

PM us if you need further assist.

Thanks,

Bagger

dansch 01-02-2006 10:43 PM

I decided to post my reply here only because it may help others. After downloading another Media Player and finding it still didn't allow viewing the video I had to search further. What I found was I had to slow down acceleration, once I did that all worked fine. Here's how, in the Media Player go to tools, then options, then performance tab, and then either slow down acceleration or turn it off all together and your'e home free. Thanks for your help, Happy New Year

tball88 02-11-2006 06:01 PM

Yoda, A+ Clip. Brought back memories of my lessons with you in the swamp and at Woodmont. I'm hitting the ball well right now, just a simple thought process, load the elbow and fire a straight line delivery.

Keep up the great work...

Yoda 02-11-2006 09:27 PM

More Pilgrim's Progress
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tball88

Yoda, A+ Clip. Brought back memories of my lessons with you in the swamp and at Woodmont. I'm hitting the ball well right now, just a simple thought process, load the elbow and fire a straight line delivery.

Keep up the great work...

Thanks, tball. You're well on your way. Stay with it!

Sonic_Doom 04-21-2006 12:51 AM

Left flying wedge clarification
 
I had no problem viewing the video but I had trouble understanding the left arm flying wedge. I get the right arm I think. I haven't seen a visual representation of this but I believe it consists of the grip to forearm relationship forming a wedge shape.

Where or what represents the left arm wedge?

CW

DukeNasty 04-21-2006 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Millrat
I had no problem viewing the video but I had trouble understanding the left arm flying wedge. I get the right arm I think. I haven't seen a visual representation of this but I believe it consists of the grip to forearm relationship forming a wedge shape.

Where or what represents the left arm wedge?

CW

Both the left and right arm flying wedges represent the relationsip between the forearm and grip (a wedge shape or angle), but that angle or wedge refers to different parts of the forearm for each wedge. Grab a club with your normal left hand grip only. COCK the club up and down and notice the angle between the forearm and shaft. This is the left arm flying wedge.

Next, grab the club with only the right hand grip as Yoda demonstrates in the video (i.e. right forearm aligned with the clubshaft with the shaft in the palm of the right hand). Now BEND the right wrist back and forth and notice the angle between the club and the "underbelly" of the right forearm. This is the right forearm flying wedge.

Left wrist cocks but doesn't bend. Right wrist bends, but doesn't cock.

As a side note, I recently took another lesson from Yoda and I completely confused what cocking the left wrist on the followthrough looks (and feels) like. So much winter focus on chips and pitches gave me a solid flat left wrist through impact that refused to swivel on the followthrough. It took me a while to figure it out and begin to execute it, but reviewing the relationship of the flying wedges throughout the swing after the lesson really make things gel.

DukeNasty

stags14 04-21-2006 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeNasty
Both the left and right arm flying wedges represent the relationsip between the forearm and grip (a wedge shape or angle), but that angle or wedge refers to different parts of the forearm for each wedge. Grab a club with your normal left hand grip only. COCK the club up and down and notice the angle between the forearm and shaft. This is the left arm flying wedge.

Next, grab the club with only the right hand grip as Yoda demonstrates in the video (i.e. right forearm aligned with the clubshaft with the shaft in the palm of the right hand). Now BEND the right wrist back and forth and notice the angle between the club and the "underbelly" of the right forearm. This is the right forearm flying wedge.

Left wrist cocks but doesn't bend. Right wrist bends, but doesn't cock.

As a side note, I recently took another lesson from Yoda and I completely confused what cocking the left wrist on the followthrough looks (and feels) like. So much winter focus on chips and pitches gave me a solid flat left wrist through impact that refused to swivel on the followthrough. It took me a while to figure it out and begin to execute it, but reviewing the relationship of the flying wedges throughout the swing after the lesson really make things gel.

DukeNasty

I am confused about the following:

When the left wrist cocks (moves up & down), how is it physically possible for the right wrist not to move up and down as well?

I just tried this. I placed both hands on a grip and cocked my lift wrist up and down. The right wrist also has to cock. I don't understand how the right wrist can't cock when the left is cocking.

bambam 04-21-2006 11:04 AM

The bending righ tarm cocks the left wrist. To see it, grab your left thumb, keep your left arm straight and your right wrist level, then bend your right arm. Your left wrist must cock or you won't be able to bend your right arm much, if at all.

stags14 04-21-2006 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bambam
The bending righ tarm cocks the left wrist. To see it, grab your left thumb, keep your left arm straight and your right wrist level, then bend your right arm. Your left wrist must cock or you won't be able to bend your right arm much, if at all.

I guess my point is that when you cock the left wrist (move it up and down), the right wrist must also cock (move up and down).

When you bend the right wriste (move side to side), the left wrist must also move side to side.

If both hands are on the club, I do not see how it is physically possible to not cock the right wrist, and not bend the left one.

12 piece bucket 04-21-2006 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stags14
I guess my point is that when you cock the left wrist (move it up and down), the right wrist must also cock (move up and down).

When you bend the right wriste (move side to side), the left wrist must also move side to side.

If both hands are on the club, I do not see how it is physically possible to not cock the right wrist, and not bend the left one.

Try splitting your hands on the grip. Keep the Right Wrist Level and bend your Right Elbow. Your Left Wrist will Cock and your Right Wrist will remain Level if you allow it to.

The Right Elbow Cocks the Left Wrist. Now just slide your hands closer together and do the same.

This is a KEY G.O.L.F. alignment that is the Right Forearm Flying Wedge and its LEVEL Right Wrist that DOES NOT COCK.

stags14 04-21-2006 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Try splitting your hands on the grip. Keep the Right Wrist Level and bend your Right Elbow. Your Left Wrist will Cock and your Right Wrist will remain Level if you allow it to.

The Right Elbow Cocks the Left Wrist. Now just slide your hands closer together and do the same.

This is a KEY G.O.L.F. alignment that is the Right Forearm Flying Wedge and its LEVEL Right Wrist that DOES NOT COCK.

I do not see how it is physcially possible to have both hands on the grip, cock your left wrist, and not have an up and down movement in your right wrist as well.

I am holding both hands out in front of me in a simulated grip on a golf club. I am cocking my left wrist up and down. Because the hands are connected, the right wrist must also move up and down.

I would like to see a video that shows this concept to me. I do not believe it is physically possible to do what you are saying. Ig the left wrist moves up and down... it seems the right wrist must follow.

birdie_man 04-21-2006 02:22 PM

It's a tough one (to understand...not to execute)....but it IS very possible....not to mention efficient.

....

ram418 04-21-2006 03:32 PM

I think the problem might be that you are simply cocking your left wrist and observing your right wrist.

Guys are asking you to bend your right elbow, thereby cocking your left wrist without cocking your right wrist.

Sonic_Doom 04-21-2006 03:40 PM

Fog clearing,
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeNasty
Both the left and right arm flying wedges represent the relationsip between the forearm and grip (a wedge shape or angle), but that angle or wedge refers to different parts of the forearm for each wedge. Grab a club with your normal left hand grip only. COCK the club up and down and notice the angle between the forearm and shaft. This is the left arm flying wedge.

Next, grab the club with only the right hand grip as Yoda demonstrates in the video (i.e. right forearm aligned with the clubshaft with the shaft in the palm of the right hand). Now BEND the right wrist back and forth and notice the angle between the club and the "underbelly" of the right forearm. This is the right forearm flying wedge.

Left wrist cocks but doesn't bend. Right wrist bends, but doesn't cock.



DukeNasty

Thanks, the fog is clearing but still a bit of haze. Why the reference to wedges-if a wedge is a static shape but the machine wedges are dynamic? It the intent to maintain one or both wedges?

CW

tradekid 04-21-2006 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stags14
I do not see how it is physcially possible to have both hands on the grip, cock your left wrist, and not have an up and down movement in your right wrist as well.

I am holding both hands out in front of me in a simulated grip on a golf club. I am cocking my left wrist up and down. Because the hands are connected, the right wrist must also move up and down.

I would like to see a video that shows this concept to me. I do not believe it is physically possible to do what you are saying. Ig the left wrist moves up and down... it seems the right wrist must follow.

Watch Chapter #3 The Hands from the Tom Tomasello video series found in The Gallery. You'll find the answer there.

tongzilla 04-22-2006 03:45 AM

Flying Wedges -- Static or Dynamic?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Millrat
Thanks, the fog is clearing but still a bit of haze. Why the reference to wedges-if a wedge is a static shape but the machine wedges are dynamic? It the intent to maintain one or both wedges?

CW

It's not the size of the Wedges that matter. For example, by changing the amount of Left Wrist Cock I can change the size of my Left Arm Flying Wedge. Or by adjusting my Right Wrist Bend, I change the size of my Right Forearm Flying Wedge.
The important thing is that the plane of the Flying Wedges remained undisturbed. Otherwise, you get some bent-looking Wedges. For example, if I Bend (4-A-2) my Left Wrist, that will deform my Left Arm Flying Wedge, so it's bad.
The Cocking motion of my Left Wrist is on a vertical plane, but the Bending motion is on a horizontal plane.
The Right Forearm Flying Wedge is on a horizontal plane. So if I make any Vertical motion (Cocking or Uncocking) with my Right Wrist, this will conflict with the plane of my Fight Forearm Flying Wedge.
As you can see, the planes of the two wedges are perpendicular or 90 degrees to each other. And as long as the Left Wrist remain flat, and the Right Wrist remain Level (4-B-1), the Wedges will still have this all-important 90 degree relationship with each other. This is true even if you Cock or Uncock your Left Wrist (keeping the Right Wrist Level, obviously) since this only changes the size of Wedge, but the vertical plane of the Left Arm Flying Wedge remains exactly the same.

Edit: I did a new thread here, and you may find the photos helpful. http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...4104#post24104

Sonic_Doom 04-22-2006 06:26 PM

Definitely dynamic,,,
 
That answers the questions I had. The wedges are dynamic in their respective planes. Your pictures in the new thread are great, I have a question re: pic 2 that I'll post there.

CW

mb6606 04-26-2006 09:53 PM

Flying Wedges
 
Should one attempt to maintain the flying wedges (particularly the right arm wedge) as long as possible on the downswing??

EdZ 04-27-2006 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mb6606
Should one attempt to maintain the flying wedges (particularly the right arm wedge) as long as possible on the downswing??

The wedges travel as a 'unit' during their motion, and yes, you should keep your wedges in place through both arms straight at least. The 'unit' rotates around PP#1, the 'tip of the triangle'.

Leo - I love the first pic - excellent alignments and a great perpective.



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