Lagster,

You have answered your own question. Pressure Point #3 returns to its aft position after the Release Swivel on the Downstroke. The Release Swivel is a result from Centrifugal Force doing its job. The Hands need to be educated to learn how to utilise Centrifugal Force so the Swivel does not become an erratic flip.

A Swinger performing Single Wrist Action on the Downstroke already has its Pressure Point #3 on the aft side of the shaft.

The Lever Assembly must be driven through Impact by an On Plane Force. Also, Clubhead Force and Motion is On Plane at right angles to the Sweetspot.

Hence there are significant sensory advantages for the player who has their Pressure Point #3 on the aft of the shaft from Release to Follow Through. One of the main purpose of PP#3 is to feel the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point, and this euphoric feeling reaches its climax when PP#3 is directly behind the shaft (aft), not under or over.

For those of us who are less talented than PGA professionals, why would you want to further diminish that heavy feeling of Clubhead Lag (for most of us we hardly have any to start with anyway!) by having your PP#3 under the shaft? (rhetorical question ;) )

On The Money
 

You are on it, Annikan...you ARE!

Yoda...Are you sure I'm onto it???...just when I think I am ..I'm NOT...when I think I'm NOT...I actually AM !!!! Make sense...such is the "mystery of incubation"...

Thanks for any validation...

A.S.

I was talking to Philly just the other night , and my point was, it's all about pressure points and the LCG. Forget flat clubface surfaces and imagine cue through cue ball-to-billiard ball compressions and reactions.

EC

Directing Lag Pressure Thrust
 

Right on, Eddie. And remember folks...

Swingers using the On Line procedure -- Tracing the Geometric Plane Line as the Delivery Line (for the Clubhead) -- should direct the Lag Pressure Thrust through the back of the Ball. In so doing, the Clubhead will follow the visual Arc of Approach through the inside-aft quadrant.

However, if that Arc of Approach -- the Visual Equivalent of the Geometric Plane Line -- is used as the Delivery Line, i.e., to guide the Lag Pressure (and Clubhead) into Impact, then the eye should direct the Lag Pressure into the inside aft quadrant of the ball (and not directly through the back).

Hitters using the Cross-Line procedure -- the Angle of Approach Visual Equivalent (of the Geometric Plane Line) -- should direct the Lag Pressure Thrust through the inside-aft quadrant. As in both of the above On Line procedures, the Clubhead will pass through the inside-aft quadrant of the Ball.

Swingers or Hitters monitoring a Line Delivery Path (of the Hands) -- a Cross-Line procedure -- should aim their Thrust at the inside-aft quadrant. As with both On Line procedures above -- the Geometric Plane Line or its Visual Equivalent, the Arc of Approach -- and also, the Cross-Line Angle of Approach, the Clubhead will pass through the inside-aft quadrant.

For more on the Geometric Plane Line and its Visual Equivalents, study 2-J-3.

So there are many procedures. They are divided into two main categories:

1. Monitor path of Hands. There is only one way to do this.
2. Monitor path of Clubhead (Delivery Line). There are three ways to do this.
   1. Basic Geometric Straight Plane Line.
   2. Arc of Approach
   3. Angle of Approach
   Swingers and Hitters can choose two from that list. (i) and (ii) is for the Swinger, (i) and (iii) is for the Hitter.

Although your Computer is doing different things depending on which procedure you select, they all have the ball hit on the inside-aft quadrant. Which begs the question, which procedure should I choose?

Not sure, but here are my thoughts:
The Swinger who has problems coming outside-in may consider using Angle of Approach even though it's a Hitter's procedure. Or if you come inside-out too much, you should use the basic geometric plane line. Or if you want to hit down more, concentrate on delivery path of hands.
What do you guys think?

Make the world go 'round in circles
 

To me this is one of the most important concepts Mr. K left us with. You gotta love Delivery Lines and Delivery Paths.

Another thing to consider in all this is how your On-Plane Right Forearm at Fix also gives you a visual of the Angle of Approach, Direction to the Aft Quadrant, the Plane Angle, Tracing the Straight Plane Line, the Straight Line Delivery Path (parallel to the Right Forearm Angle of Approach to the Aiming point)and the Angle of Attack.

This stuff all comes together. Just soak up the water in your mellon . . . the juice is sweet and you can spit the seeds long and straight.

The humanity . . .

Tong,

Based on Yoda's post: Swingers or Hitters monitoring a Line Delivery Path (of the Hands) -- a Cross-Line procedure -- should aim their Thrust at the inside-aft quadrant. As with both On Line procedures above -- the Geometric Plane Line or its Visual Equivalent, the Arc of Approach -- and also, the Cross-Line Angle of Approach, the Clubhead will pass through the inside-aft quadrant.

What is your reasoning for excluding (iii) for Swingers?

I have always been interested in chasing this down for Swingers.

Thanks man!

I think Yoda would also agree with the above -- that the Angle of Approach procedure is usually excluded for the Swinger.

The nature of the Hitter's Right Arm Thrust drives the clubhead in more of a linear fashion out towards right field. Swinger's do not have this tendency, hence they don't use Angle of Approach.

To basically open up a can of worms, wouldn't the Tomasello stroke (notice neither hit nor swing;) ) be able to use the Angle of Approach, because he adds right forearm thrust?

IF it is a Right Arm Swing, the Right Arm is truly swinging, so it does not produce a linear motion out to right field, which is caused by the right triceps thrust (hitting).

Yoda,
Imo, you've demonstrated that you have a geat product on this website. It takes a lot of time and energy to produce it and I certainly would pay for access. It seems like $50 a year or so makes it affordable and valuable to me... this would be as it exists now. New or more features might be worth a bit more.....

Mark me down in the "no feel" camp... truthfully, as a new hitter (1 yr.)when I swing I feel #1... that's it. Even on the range when trying to feel #3 ... I was unable.

Makes me think of a tape I heard of Mr Kelley...

Anyone know how he came up with Angle of Apprach and 'off to right field'?

Hint.......16???


Me too psheehan...but one day...we'll get there.

And thank you for being honest, cause I'm with ya!

Hit chips, pitches and full swings with your normal grip, but with right forefinger and thumb fully extended. This will sensitise your PP#3 ten-fold.

Pat, you are talking about feeling pp3 on the startdown, right. I can't imagine you not feeling it on impact. But...

16? Is this the clubhead on the plane line but clubface "out" to right field at impact?

:)

Lets let it ride for a day....answer to be revealed.....

How Homer came up with 'Angle of Approach' and 'out to right field'....

:)

Ahhh.... that rings a bell..."Yoda's Secret"... I remember it from last year when I first started getting involved with TGM... thank you for reminding me, Tong, I will try some of that today...75 and crystal clear in coastal NC, with just a hint of a breeze.

Nope, what I've told you ain't Yoda's Secret. You can't really use Yoda's Secret with full length shots. But you can with the method I showed you. Yoda's Secret is good for chipping.