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Daryl 04-27-2006 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Yoda
"The wicked flee when no one pursues. But the righteous are bold as a lion." --Proverbs 28:1

"Yes, but didn’t the Lions eat the Righteous? A few of them anyway." :confused: Daryl, 2006


"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not."
(Theodor Seuss Geisel, a.k.a. Dr. Seuss, 1904-1991) :smile:

lordreigns 04-27-2006 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dcg1952
Yoda, just curious----did Golf Digest or Mr. Nicklaus ever reply to your letter???

I was going to ask the same question. :)
The letter was so well written that they probably didn't have any comeback.
Yoda- you must have a great filing system seeing that you are able to easily retrieve a letter written 24 years ago. I can't even recall where I left my TGM book that I read last week. :confused:

Yoda 04-27-2006 09:03 AM

A New Day And A New Way
 
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Originally Posted by Jim.Cook

By the way, what word processor did you use for your letter? :)

No word processor, Jim. Just an old IBM Selectric typewriter with a Courier 72 ball. My how things have changed!

Yoda 08-31-2006 02:58 PM

Ben Hogan Says "No."
 
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Here's a letter dated May 9, 1967, that I received from Ben Hogan in reply to my request for private lessons. At the time, I was a 21-year-old serviceman who was doing the best he could to get the information he so desperately needed.

The Golfing Machine was still two years away from its first edition, but what I would have given to have known of Homer Kelley way back then. Short answer: a lot! But, alas, that road was not to be, and another fifteen years would pass before our paths would cross.

In any event, I may not have gotten Ben's lessons, but at least I got his letter. And that ain't all bad! :)

Daryl 08-31-2006 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda

Here's a letter dated May 9, 1967, that I received from Ben Hogan in reply to my request for private lessons. At the time, I was a 21-year-old serviceman who was doing the best he could to get the information he so desperately needed.

The Golfing Machine was still two years away from its first edition, but it sure would have been great to have known of Homer Kelley way back then. And, knowing Homer, I'm sure he would have been happy to help.

In any event, I may not have gotten Ben's lessons, but at least I got his letter. And that ain't all bad! :)

A wonderful letter. I'd keep it in the Frame.

birdie_man 08-31-2006 06:10 PM

Cool!

How did he hit it anyway? What do you remember?

neil 08-31-2006 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda
Here's a letter dated May 9, 1967, that I received from Ben Hogan in reply to my request for private lessons. At the time, I was a 21-year-old serviceman who was doing the best he could to get the information he so desperately needed.

The Golfing Machine was still two years away from its first edition, but it sure would have been great to have known of Homer Kelley way back then. And, knowing Homer, I'm sure he would have been happy to help.

In any event, I may not have gotten Ben's lessons, but at least I got his letter. And that ain't all bad! :)

PS For best viewing, click on the thumbnail, then go to 'View' on your task bar and click 'Full Screen.'

Wonderful Boss,

Yoda 08-31-2006 09:26 PM

Hogan Memories
 
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Originally Posted by birdie_man

Cool!

How did he hit it anyway? What do you remember?

I watched Ben Hogan practice at the Masters. As everyone knows, he hit a fade. Most of the time, the ball went pretty straight and just fell to the right. But sometimes, one would get away from him, and the ball worked hard left-to-right. He used to practice only on the tee to the right of Magnolia Lane (looking from the Clubhouse), a tee no longer there. (It is now a dedicated short game area.) And he would practice only from the far right side of that tee. If another player was there, he would wait for that spot!

One morning, Ben arrived and found some poor devil hitting in 'his' spot. Ben stood with his caddy some 6-8 yards back of the offender. Ben lit a cigarette, cupping it in his hand between draws. He stared ahead looking at nothing...and waited.

But not very long! :)

With the way cleared, the caddy laid Ben's bag flat on the ground—It was just a plain, black leather bag; no fancy logos like all the other pros had; it didn't even have his name on it. Then he dumped the shag balls and hustled out into the range to be used as both a ball retriever and target (not exactly without risk when your boss is Ben Hogan!). In those days, there used to be a hedge down the right side, and Ben would curve the shots back toward it. Most of them landed at the caddy's feet, but the ones that got away...well, it was over the hedge and 'adios amigo' .

As I recall, Ben wore the same outfit every day. Or at least it looked like it: all black laceup shoes (without the kilties or buckles that were popular back then); navy pants; white or powder blue shirt (with a navy sweater if it was chilly); and a white cap (Hogan-style, of course!). Or maybe it was gray pants and a navy shirt. Anyway, he always looked the same...blues and whites and grays.

Another memory:

In the 1964 Masters, Ben was in the hunt late in the 3rd round, and I caught up with him on the 17th tee box. He was registering red numbers like crazy on those big scoreboards, and everybody knew that 'ol Ben was takin' care of business. The next day, he would fade into a tie for 9th behind the winner, Arnold Palmer. But on this glorious Saturday, he would shoot 67 and beat The King by two shots.

Anyway, the roars were echoing through the pines big-time, and even though I was only 17 and a mere spectator, my nerves were jangling with the electricity that can come only at Augusta. As Ben assumed the tee, I distinctly remember wondering if the aging Hawk was feeling it, too. Surely he had to be!

He addressed the ball, waggled once and then stopped abruptly. Without moving out of his stance, he raised his driver a few inches above the ball and proceeded to tap the teed ball down. One tap. Another tap. And then one more. The ball never wavered on its tee. It just went down, down, down. Satisfied that the ball was now at the correct height, the great Hogan waggled once more, and with all the authority and 'swoosh' of his whiplash swing, sent the ball whistling down the middle of the fairway.

I could not believe what I had just seen. I can't do that lttle trick when nothing's on the line, much less under the gun of the most intense competitve pressure. Add one more reason to the list why he was Ben Hogan...

And I'm not! :salut:

tongzilla 08-31-2006 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda

He addressed the ball, waggled once and then stopped abruptly. Without moving out of his stance, he raised his driver a few inches above the ball and proceeded to tap the teed ball down. One tap. Another tap. And then one more. The ball never wavered on its tee. It just went down, down, down. Satisfied that the ball was now at the correct height, the great Hogan waggled once more, and with all the authority and 'swoosh' of his whiplash swing, he sent the ball whistling down the middle of the fairway.

I could not believe what I had just seen. I can't do that lttle trick when nothing's on the line, much less under the gun of the most intense competitve pressure. Add one more reason to the list why he was Ben Hogan...

And I'm not! :salut:

That is awesome.

:pray:

I want to learn that!

birdie_man 08-31-2006 10:57 PM

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As everyone knows, Ben Hogan hit a fade. Most of the time, the ball went pretty straight and just fell to the right. But sometimes, one would get away from him, and the ball worked hard left-to-right. He used to practice only on the practice tee to the right of Magnolia Lane (looking from the Clubhouse), a tee that is no longer there (it is now a dedicated short game area). Furthermore, he would practice only from the far right side of that practice tee. And if someone else was there, he would wait for that spot!
He could of done that so everyone could watch him hit balls....to build fear.

(muwahhahaha)

hg 08-31-2006 11:25 PM

Priceless
 
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Originally Posted by Yoda
Tommy Armour was one of his era's finest golfers, winning the U.S. Open, the British Open, the PGA and a host of cash-prize tournaments. Pretty good for anybody, but particularly good for a guy who had been severely wounded and blinded in one eye in a World War I mustard gas attack.

He was also one of golf's most successful -- and expensive! -- instructors. He taught students whose skills ranged across the board from duffer to champion. They included the rich and famous and winners of national championships, both amateur and professional. Over time, his reputation as a teacher grew greater than his reputation as a player. To put it mildly...

The guy knew what he was talking about.

In 1953, he applied his brilliant mind to a little book he called How To Play Your Best Golf All The Time. He insisted that it be simple in narrative and illustrated only with a few line drawings (instead of the dozens of photographic sequences that had become de rigueur for golf texts of the day. The line drawings were limited to those Stroke alignments he deemed mission-critical. The book was an instant success, and it subsequently has been reprinted numerous times over the past five decades. In my next piece, I will discuss -- and illustrate from the book -- Tommy's grasp of the importance of the Head as the Pivot Center. And also, his thoughts on the geometry of the Stroke, the Flat Left Wrist and Clubhead Lag Pressure. There is much to learn.

The book has a special meaning for me, not only because of its content, but because I got an autographed copy at age 15. But the autograph is not that of Tommy Armour. No, it is much better than that...


What a treasure signature Yoda....a little off topic but can you share with us when your fascination/romance for the GAME began. At the beginning did you struggle to improve and were there any doubts about your abilities to achieve a high level of success. Did you have a mentor/teacher when you first began the journey.

Thanks for sharing ...it may be interesting to the members.

Yoda 08-31-2006 11:29 PM

No Name Necessary On the Bag
 
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Originally Posted by birdie_man

He could of done that so everyone could watch him hit balls....to build fear.

Hogan was Hogan.

No more. No less.

Which was why they feared him.

Yoda 08-31-2006 11:45 PM

An Affair To Remember
 
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Originally Posted by hg

What a treasure signature Yoda....a little off topic but can you share with us when your fascination/romance for the GAME began.

About age eleven, I learned two things about golf, one from my Dad and one by myself. From Dad I learned that golf takes a long time to play. On my own, I learned that golf balls go farther than baseballs.

My Dad was military, and I learned both these things in Germany. There were no courses near our American community, and when Dad played, which wasn't often, he would always come in at night. So it seemed to me that golf took a very long time to play.

For my first swing, I used my mom's Patty Berg 3-wood. I couldn't use Dad's clubs because he was left-handed. I don't know if I hit the ball on the first try, but I do know that when I did make contact, I fouled it from our backyard (in a community apartment complex) into a neighbor's balcony. There was a terrific crash as the ball slammed into their glass sliding door, so I didn't hang around long and don't know what happened after that. But I do remember my first feeling . . . Wow. Golf balls go farther than baseballs. A lot farther!

I even liked the smell of golf balls. And their stickiness, one against the other, right out of the sleeve. I would take'm out and roll 'em around in the palms of my hands, then put 'em back and pull 'em out and roll 'em around again. I liked the painted wooden tees, too. Dad had a million of 'em in the deep pocket of his canvass bag, in all different colors, and I would dig down in there, crunch around, and bring'em up by the handful.

I didn't touch a golf club for the next three years and then only as a caddy in the chicken-wire pen behind the putting green at the old O.B. Keeler Golf Course in Kennesaw, Georgia. But then and there in my backyard is when I learned the truth . . .

I love golf. :)

hg 09-01-2006 12:25 AM

The Romance Continues...
 
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Originally Posted by Yoda
About age nine, I learned two things, one from my Dad and one by myself:

1. Golf takes a long time to play.

2. Golf balls go further than baseballs.

Regarding the first item, my Dad was military, and I learned these things in Germany. There were no courses near our American community, so however long golf took, it took even longer there. When Dad played, which wasn't often, he would always come in at night.

Regarding the second, my first memory is taking one of my Mom's wooden clubs -- couldn't use Dad's because he was left-handed -- and belting it from our backyard (in a community apartment complex) into a neighbor's balcony. I didn't hang around long, so I don't know what happened after that, but I do remember my first feeling...

Golf balls go further than baseballs. A lot further!

I even liked the smell of them.

And their 'stickiness,' one against the other, right out of the sleeve.

I liked the painted, wooden tees, too. Dad had a million of'em in his canvass bag -- in all different colors -- and I would dig down in there and bring'em up by the handful.

I didn't touch a golf club for the next five years -- and then only as a caddy in the chicken-wire pen behind the putting green at the old O.B. Keeler Golf Course in Kennesaw, Georgia -- but I guess then and there is when I learned the truth...

I love golf.


So now we've reached age 14 ...can you share with us a little more...how this romance continues:)

tongzilla 09-01-2006 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Yoda
About age eleven, I learned two things about golf, one from my Dad and one by myself. From Dad I learned that golf takes a long time to play. On my own, I learned that golf balls go farther than baseballs.

My Dad was military, and I learned both these things in Germany. There were no courses near our American community, and when Dad played, which wasn't often, he would always come in at night. So it seemed to me that golf took a very long time to play.

For my first swing, I used my mom's Patty Berg 3-wood. I couldn't use Dad's clubs because he was left-handed. I don't know if I hit the ball on the first try, but I do know that when I did make contact, I fouled it from our backyard (in a community apartment complex) into a neighbor's balcony. There was a terrific crash as the ball slammed into their glass sliding door, so I didn't hang around long and don't know what happened after that. But I do remember my first feeling . . . Wow. Golf balls go farther than baseballs. A lot farther!

I even liked the smell of golf balls. And their stickiness, one against the other, right out of the sleeve. I would take'm out and roll 'em around in the palms of my hands, then put 'em back and pull 'em out and roll 'em around again. I liked the painted wooden tees, too. Dad had a million of 'em in the deep pocket of his canvass bag, in all different colors, and I would dig down in there, crunch around, and bring'em up by the handful.

I didn't touch a golf club for the next three years and then only as a caddy in the chicken-wire pen behind the putting green at the old O.B. Keeler Golf Course in Kennesaw, Georgia. But then and there in my backyard is when I learned the truth . . .

I love golf. :)

Is that "the truth" or The Truth?

Like hg, I'd also like to hear more!

Yoda 09-01-2006 07:03 AM

Nothing But 'the truth'
 
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Originally Posted by tongzilla

Is that "the truth" or The Truth?

Like hg, I'd also like to hear more!

Just 'the truth,' Tongzilla. This was a simple narrative, and you'll notice I did not include my usual capitalization of golf-related terms. :)

lagster 09-01-2006 12:09 PM

Hogan
 
A couple of things I heard from a fellow that knew him...

He smoked quite a bit on the golf course. If he hit a shot he didn't like much, you could hear him take an especially hard draw on that cigarette.

Sam Snead did not like to play with Hogan, because Hogan's tempo affected Sam. I believe he would try not to watch him hit.

KOC 03-28-2007 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 20859)
Dr. Gary Wiren, then Director of Instruction, PGA of America, at the far left in the PGA-crested blazer. He and two of his associates flew in from PGA Headquarters -- a Men in Black sort of thing -- and spent a full day at the school. Gary walked away with a yellow pad full of notes and his incubator humming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp3BrR5JIXI

The ball doesn't know, Yoda knows and Homer knew.

hg 03-29-2007 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by hg (Post 31725)
So now we've reached age 14 ...can you share with us a little more...how this romance continues:)


Yoda

Please tell us more about young Yoda....after age 14...let the story continue:)

Yoda 09-05-2007 09:59 PM

My First Edition
 
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Originally Posted by drewitgolf (Post 45492)

Estimated Value (based on the collectors I deal with) depending upon condition of the book:

1st $100-$300

The value increases, especially in the first edition, if signed by Mr. Kelley.

During my personal study with Homer Kelley at his home the week of January 11-15, 1982, I began a reasonably intensive personal lobby for a 'first edition' of The Golfing Machine. He said he didn't think he had any more around, but that he would look. Over the next ten months, by phone, I continued to lobby, and he continued to look.

Finally came the day when I went to the mailbox and discovered his 'care package.' I stripped away the envelope and wrapping and there it was: the First Edition. Alas, as was so characteristic of his humble nature, he didn't sign it. But he did include an invoice in his own hand dated December 6, 1982, clearly stating the contents:
"1 Copy 1st Edition"
And the price...
"$7.50."
At the bottom of the invoice he penned this note:
"In putting the 6th edition material in storage I gathered up everything and put the archives in order. I found it pretty bare, but not empty. Have fun.

Homer Kelley"
What is this combination of book and personalized invoice worth today?

Who knows?

Who cares?

It belongs to me, and I ain't sellin'.

The memory I share with you.

:)

Yoda 04-06-2008 09:49 PM

Young Yoda's First Conversation With Homer Kelley
 
A long time ago in a galaxy far away, Young Yoda had his first converation with Homer Kelley. The call was placed from Tom Tomasello's living room in May 1980, and we recorded it. It's been floating around the Internet for a couple of years now, but we've never posted here, so many of you may never have heard it.

There's a little story behind the call; I'll edit this post later and tell it.

For now, just visualize Tommy dialing the phone -- he had recently ordered some TGM books from Homer and had made the initial contact -- and me waiting in the wings . . .

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/assets/...mer_Kelley.mp3

birdie chance 04-06-2008 10:41 PM

Homer: It's all in the book!
 
wow
I love the discussion on hinge action, very helpful
thanks for the post!!

Yoda 04-06-2008 11:02 PM

Time Machine
 
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Originally Posted by birdie chance (Post 51835)

wow
I love the discussion on hinge action, very helpful
thanks for the post!!

You're welcome, birdie! That conversation took place 28 years ago, yet it seems like only yesterday.

I'll be 62 on my next birthday.

:shock:

Better get busy . . .

:clock:

hg 04-06-2008 11:17 PM

Hope springs eternal
 
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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 51836)
You're welcome, birdie! That conversation took place 28 years ago, yet it seems like only yesterday.

I'll be 62 on my next birthday.

Better get busy . . .

:clock:



Yoda

You do not know how inspiring you are to those of us who are right behind you in age and light years behind you in swing mechanics. As my pastor preached today .... we are all connected by hope...I still hope to be better tommorrow than I am today...as a person and at a game that I enjoy to play.:)

curtisj76 04-14-2008 10:04 PM

Wow, that was cool. Thanks Lynn, I'll hold on to that gem.

PS I couldn't see Hogan's letter to you. Is that not available anymore?

PSS - Do you remember what TT's "glass of water" drill was that you mentioned? Thanks again!

bambam 04-15-2008 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by curtisj76 (Post 51981)
PS I couldn't see Hogan's letter to you. Is that not available anymore?

The link to the photos changed with a gallery upgrade, but they've been restored in their original post:

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...2310&page=4#36

powerdraw 07-19-2008 09:15 PM

any chance Yoda that we can get more of your convos with Homer?

Yoda 07-19-2008 10:21 PM

Time Remembered
 
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Originally Posted by powerdraw (Post 54452)

any chance Yoda that we can get more of your convos with Homer?

I have longer term plans . . .

:)

GPStyles 07-20-2008 07:56 AM

What a great thread!

I really enjoyed reading the posts and looking at the photos.

Highlights must include the letter from Mr Hogan, but Mr Kelley speaking from beyond the grave is a privilege to hear.

Yoda 07-20-2008 09:08 PM

Early Light Sabre Work!
 
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Originally Posted by milan (Post 20879)

Very Cool Stuff!!

I think that in the first shot Yoda is either holding a light sabre (darth maul style) or two flashlights joined at the ends.

Yes, milan, you are exactly right . . . I am holding "two flashlights joined at the ends". See Post #1 in this thead http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...?t=2310&page=1. I used my simple homemade device to illustrate a principle -- adherence to the Baseline of the Inclined Plane throughout the Total Motion -- an idea totally foreign to the teaching methodologies of the day.

In my public seminars and classes, the lights would dim, and I would 'Trace the straight line Plane Line' with the flashlight beam. First, with the 'head end' beam in Start Up and then the 'butt end' beam later in the Backstroke. During Start Down and the first half of the Downstroke, the 'butt end' beam would continue to Trace the Line. In Release and to the end of the Follow Through, the 'head end' beam would once again point at the line. Finally, in the Finish Swivel and beyond, the 'butt end' would once again do the Tracing. When the beam ran parallel to the floor, it would also run parallel to the Line. Pretty dramatic stuff, especially with the dimmed lights and when you are seeing it for the very first time.

In those days, no one had ever heard of such a concept, much less found training aids commercially available, e.g., lasers, purporting to accomplish the same thing. I say "purporting" because I held the first beam near my #3 Pressure Point (Right Index Finger) and in line with my Right Forearm. So, when the first beam pointed at the line during Start Up and Release, so did the Right Forearm. When the lasers did become available, they all were mounted at the Clubhead end of a shaft. In this configuration, it is quite possible -- even probable given the popular 'hanging right arm' (Off Plane) Address position -- that the beam can point at the Plane Line while the Right Forearm continues to point well inside it. This works on the living room rug, but not so well on the golf course!

Anyway, my simple device predated today's popular Smartstick http://smartstickgolf.com/ by some 25 years. BTW, the Smartstick folks will be with us at The Barclays http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=5708, and we soon will be marketing the product on our site at a 10 percent discount to our members.

Stay tuned for the introductory post and link!

:golfcart2:

rprevost 07-20-2008 11:17 PM

I am not sure that this is the place to say this, but I want to second Yoda's comment on laser plane-line-tracing aid. This past Christmas I received one as a gift. It was the kind one attaches to the shaft. Unfortunately, I could never get on plane with it. My right forearm did not point inside the plane line, but outside it. And it caused all sorts of grief. On the course, I was constantly searching for the correct plane and ended up most of the time on a severly flat plane, well below the TSP. That made it extremely difficult for me to hit the ball first with any kind of power. I finally junked the laser aid and went back to the dowels Yoda gave me last year. It was a revelation, and every thing is back like it is supposed to be. In my case, modern technology did not help.

KOC 09-09-2008 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 20891)
Yes, Milan, those would be mirrors. I got the idea from Paul Bertholy, one of the more famous names in golf instruction in those days, when I trained under him during a three-day course at his home. Below is a September 1983 photo of Paul and me in his back yard near Pinehurst, North Carolina. Note the famed Bertholy Swing Bar in my left hand....

Dear Yoda,

Besides of the weighted bar, was that the right hand "claw" of the Bertholy method in the photo?

I spent a long time to read and try to understand the "method" during my long holidays (healing of my elbow). I read Paul preferred the flywheel action over the right arm thrust. Is that similar to TGM spinning the flywheel?

I also found a story that Moe Norman recommended Paul Bertholy to his friends and in return treated the manual as a treasure. Would you share more with us?

BerntR 09-11-2009 01:38 PM

I just have to ping this thread. I was playing the Royal Aberdeen the other day. The green fee was rather stiff but they gave us a goodie bag to sugar it. The backside spelled: "The origin of the 5 minute rule". Simple words with tonnes of historic content. Just like this thread.

Looking on how today's top performers strike the ball, it's obvious that Homer - and Lynn - was ahead of time when Lynn wrote his letter to Golf Digest.:salut:

gmbtempe 09-11-2009 08:19 PM

Wow, thanks for the bump in the thread, great conversation.


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