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Mike O 05-15-2010 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 72760)
I had all of the drawings in the book faithfully and precisely converted into "Vector" images with a little color added for ease of Reading. Then, I had the Vector Drawings enlarged to 48" wide (without loss of quality) so I could frame them and display as artwork in the Lower Level Great Room.

You don't think that's insane, do you? :laughing9

Lower Level Great Room = Cafeteria

Both Daryl (Patient #370 Room 540) and Bucket (Patient 371 Room 541) pushed for these items to be displayed - in an effort to appease we put them up in the cafeteria. Didn't make sense to me - fifth floor requires the highest level psych clearance and they don't get lunch with the general population. Have to go - I have to clean the slobber off of Bucket. Whoa! Daryl just threw his cup of peas at Bucket!:eyes:

Mike O 05-15-2010 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 72751)
Diam asked a "simple question" ..........he deserves a simple answer..........if that is possible with you two guys...........

The answer to that would be: "Not Possible"

And QB - It's DLAM not Diam - but who's counting after Molson #18?

I feel Bucket circling - beware my feather forum friends - unless Bagger can get to the blocking switch in time- prepare for more incoming crap!

Mike O 05-15-2010 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 72751)
"Blah blah blah Daryl, blah blah blah Daryl"...............its you two that are forming a group it would appear............not that there's anything wrong with that kind of thing............north of the Mason Dixon anyways.


Diam asked a "simple question" ..........he deserves a simple answer..........if that is possible with you two guys..........and you say Im insane!

I agree you need some definitions, which Im sure you two "visionaries" can debate for a couple of years,

Daryl,
Bagger is having problems with implementation. Put the plan into action - move into stealth mode - OC airport- 9PM tomorrow evening. Bucket will bring the grease, bring rope.

Daryl 05-15-2010 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 72767)
Daryl,
Bagger is having problems with implementation. Put the plan into action - move into stealth mode - OC airport- 9PM tomorrow evening. Bucket will bring the grease, bring rope.

I've got the rope, I'll be there. Here's the most recent photo I have of Him. O.B. is the guy on the far right,,,I think. I'd have to see the Tattoo's to know for sure; "Mama" tattoo on the left arm, "Homer Kelly" tattoo on the right forearm flying wedge.


O.B.Left 05-15-2010 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 72765)

Bucket (Patient 371 Room 541) pushed for these items to be displayed - in an effort to appease we put them up in the cafeteria. Didn't make sense to me - fifth floor requires the highest level psych clearance and they don't get lunch with the general population.

Yes, that reminds me Bucket has a goat simulator and a lunch monitor... Daryl had to blow 2-c-0 up to 48" wide in an attempt to understand it. Still didnt work and Mike thinks toe drop is a STD.

And Ill say it again, those are not my thighs!!!!!! Those are my shoes but not my thighs, must be photo shop'd or something.

O.B.Left 05-15-2010 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 72766)
The answer to that would be: "Not Possible"

And QB - It's DLAM not Diam - but who's counting after Molson #18?

I feel Bucket circling - beware my feather forum friends - unless Bagger can get to the blocking switch in time- prepare for more incoming crap!



DLAM, Diam.........damn Im bad with names. My apologies to you and Mrs LAM.

"Ask a simple question........" Cant remember how the rest of that goes.......

Lets get back to defining things again, those were some good times. What are the three motions of the clubface through impact? (leaving Opening with Hooding to the visionaries for now)

DLAM? DLAM? Hey , we lost him already! Damn. I told you guys to act normal for a change!!

12 piece bucket 05-15-2010 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 72768)
I've got the rope, I'll be there. Here's the most recent photo I have of Him. O.B. is the guy on the far right,,,I think. I'd have to see the Tattoo's to know for sure; "Mama" tattoo on the left arm, "Homer Kelly" tattoo on the right forearm flying wedge.


I went to the prom with the hawt one on the left . . . prude though . . . I mean I had the classy stuff real Cheetoz and Peter Pan too . . . what's a gent gotta do?

12 piece bucket 05-15-2010 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 72766)
The answer to that would be: "Not Possible"

And QB - It's DLAM not Diam - but who's counting after Molson #18?

I feel Bucket circling - beware my feather forum friends - unless Bagger can get to the blocking switch in time- prepare for more incoming crap!

feel bucket circling what???? Freak.

Bagger Lance 05-15-2010 11:31 PM

Can't turn your back for a minute. I should have known better when the red light on my monitor lit up.

Did keyboards finally thaw?

O.B.Left 05-16-2010 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Bagger Lance (Post 72787)
Can't turn your back for a minute. I should have known better when the red light on my monitor lit up.

Did keyboards finally thaw?


Whats a key board? I input all this data to my main frame via my card punch machine. Takes like forever, eh. Oh gotta go, the tapes are all outa whack again.

Bagger Lance 05-16-2010 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 72788)
Whats a key board? I input all this data to my main frame via my card punch machine. Takes like forever, eh. Oh gotta go, the tapes are all outa whack again.

Hickory shafts too eh?

dlam 05-16-2010 09:00 AM

Thank you all for the most detailed explanations. The answers were more elaborate than I could imagine but I applaud you for getting the truth out for me, especially Daryl's diagrams and references.

Lovin how much effort you all put into the thought process of the golf swing.
Cheers:salut:

O.B.Left 05-16-2010 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dlam (Post 72799)
Thank you all for the most detailed explanations. The answers were more elaborate than I could imagine but I applaud you for getting the truth out for me, especially Daryl's diagrams and references.

Lovin how much effort you all put into the thought process of the golf swing.
Cheers:salut:



Oh you're not getting rid of us that easily there dlam. Easy fella....

Lets define a few more things here for a while...................I'd like to draw your attention to 1-L-16 "The Plane Line controls the Clubhead Line-Of -Flight. Clubface alignment controls the Ball Line-Of-Flight. And 1-L-17 "The Clubface needs to be square to the Line-Off-Flight only at Point of Separation."

Meaning the ball leaves at right angles to the face at separation and curves according to any divergence in the face angle and clubhead path........the complete opposite of what we've been told for like ever. So the face is not closed at Impact.

But it is in the process of closing! How much? See Horizontal Hinging which is assumed in Daryls 2-C-1 LINEAR FORCE -THE IDEAL APPLICATION diagram. Why? Cause its the Hinge Action that will keep the point of contact between ball and face intact (as if welded together) throughout the impact interval. So no side slipage. (Although Hitters using Angled Hinging can close the face to offset the slip but thats another discussion that needs a whole new set of definitions).

And see 1-L-13 "The Clubhead travels Down -and-Out until it reaches its "Low Point".

Which means for balls played back of Low Point, the left shoulder, most every shot, the clubhead, that point of contact between face and ball that is welded together, needs to travel Down and Out during the Impact Interval (See the direction of the Angle of Approach line in Daryls diagram , its "out to right field" , so to speak. To a degree consistent with ball placement and plane angle.......the geometry of impact is not a taking the back of the ball towards the hole as most golfers try to do)

If Separation occurs prior to Low Point (as it does most often) the face will be square to the target line at Separation and therefor closed when it reaches Low Point. So dont establish your clubface alignment in your left hand grip at low point or at Adjusted Address , do it at Fix given the ball placement you are employing. ............This may be the closed face you are noticing perhaps?

Ah I could go on but I got a game to play..............

innercityteacher 05-17-2010 12:35 PM

Hi Mike. We don't know each other. Still, since you are insulting Canadians...
 
I want to speak up for OB. He really cares about TGM stuff! He has been very nice to me in my quest for TGM wisdom. He is going to buy me a package of Canadian Titleists, someday, I hope.

Besides, Mike, if you piss OB off, they might invade Maine! Who would know that you were locked in a log cabin, somewhere? :)

:naughty:

Patrick

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Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 72747)
OB,
You're going to get some hooding with the irons due to shaft flex action as a result of impact. Whether that happens during or after impact - whether it's a result of the club contacting the ball or the club contacting the ground -just realize that "hooding" is something that happens in the golf swing. It would fall under Daryl's definition of "That would require the Grip moving faster than the Clubhead" due to the flexibility of the shaft and the deceleration of the clubhead due to impact. You can see that if you look at the hosel above in Daryl's post- leaning more forward in the last frame versus the first frame. Of course, that means that in Daryl's post above - since the face is also closing - that the four frames would also fit under his definition of "Shutting".

By the way - you are insane - people realize it - no one thinks that Daryl or I are insane - merely rational normal people. Please don't group everyone together with you. I know you Canadian's like groups but some of us are still into rugged USA individualism! Soon we won't need to deal with you - Bagger is close to perfecting the "Canadian Blocker" on the website- then it will be clear sailing! Is the snow off the ground yet :)


O.B.Left 05-17-2010 01:40 PM

Thanks City

How do you get to this Maine place anyways?

Daryl 05-17-2010 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 72820)
Thanks City

How do you get to this Maine place anyways?

It's directly between Ottawa and Halifax.

I'll make you a deal. I'm sure I can get enough signatures for this.

I'll trade you ALL of our Blue States and California for your Green Provinces. This deal includes the people.


O.B.Left 05-17-2010 06:27 PM

Deal.

Im moving to California guys, The Great White North's on the move.

Wait a minute does this mean the Chi Hawks are a Canadian team now? Go Hawks Go! And Kobe and Pam Anderson and........Hey! She is from B.C. which is now part of the U.S. Let me think on this for a bit........ Ill get back to you.

12 piece bucket 05-17-2010 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 72827)
Deal.

Im moving to California guys, The Great White North's on the move.

Wait a minute does this mean the Chi Hawks are a Canadian team now? Go Hawks Go! And Kobe and Pam Anderson and........Hey! She is from B.C. which is now part of the U.S. Let me think on this for a bit........ Ill get back to you.

Yeah but she's kinda like a Toyota . . . she was made in Canader . . . but got parts from all over . . . the sum of the parts greater than the hole . . I mean whole.

JerryG 05-17-2010 09:49 PM

Daryl, I appreciate nearly everything you write except this last bit. Don't get rid of the tax asset states and just leave us with the tax liability states.

golfguru 05-17-2010 10:05 PM

Don't worry too much JerryG. It's a global market place so all the companies would rush to the better economic place to be. Oh hang on, governments have now interfered with the free flow of capitalism and immigration so maybe that won't work fast enough anymore. - Please read with a large dose of tongue in cheek :-)

O.B.Left 05-17-2010 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 72832)
Yeah but she's kinda like a Toyota . . . she was made in Canader . . . but got parts from all over . . . the sum of the parts greater than the hole . . I mean whole.

This's defuntly some of your best work here. Congrats.

Daryl 05-18-2010 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JerryG (Post 72833)
Daryl, I appreciate nearly everything you write except this last bit. Don't get rid of the tax asset states and just leave us with the tax liability states.

We'll definitely want you at the Negotiating Table. :notworthy

Mike O 05-18-2010 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by golfguru (Post 72834)
Don't worry too much JerryG. It's a global market place so all the companies would rush to the better economic place to be. Oh hang on, governments have now interfered with the free flow of capitalism and immigration so maybe that won't work fast enough anymore. - Please read with a large dose of tongue in cheek :-)

Please read with a large dose of reality.

12 piece bucket 05-18-2010 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 72843)
Please read with a large dose of reality.

AS IF . . . . . . . . .

Mike O 05-18-2010 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 72855)
AS IF . . . . . . . . .

Booger Head

Daryl 05-18-2010 10:50 PM

I think this Thread was first Jacked on 06-27-2006, 03:45 AM, Post #8 by Tongzilla. Jacked by the "Brits".

Mike O's latest response to Bucket.. "Booger head" was an attempt to thwart the Jacking and resume the original Topic discussion.




Threadjack

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  2. A form of amusement for trolls.
  3. Threadjacking is distinguished from flaming, as flames are a quasi-personal attack on a poster or on a poster's style of discourse, where threadjacking is deliberatly steering the discussion offtopic.

Bagger Lance 05-18-2010 11:07 PM

Bagger approves the most excellent post above. :salut:

golfguru 05-19-2010 08:50 PM

In other words, an off plane thought delivery :)

innercityteacher 05-27-2010 12:54 PM

Daryl, whatdya think about this type of stroke?
 
Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
Because it sets up a Stroke wherein your Hands (and the Flat Right Wrist) lead the Club away from the Ball in Start Up. Similarly, the Hands (and the Flat Left Wrist) lead the Club through the Ball during Impact.


My question, Daryl:
At the risk of repeating myself, that is awesome! Yoda, along that same line of thinking, If I start a vertical hinge straight back from the ball (no incline) forcing my back shoulder (what feels to be) straight up, and come down hitting before layback without a swivel into a chicken wing, the ball flies straight and long. What is the proper TGM category to search for such a strange move? Would you say it is a really bad idea and suggest a better way for a newbie like me?

thanks,

Pat




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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 29062)
I tried a closed at the Top Clubface years ago and couldn't hit the ball. Normally I need to have the Clubshaft leading perfectly and on the Sweetspot Plane to develop good lag and impact. My clubface would look a little open at the top.


Daryl 05-27-2010 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 73173)
If I start a vertical hinge straight back from the ball (no incline) forcing my back shoulder (what feels to be) straight up, and come down hitting before layback without a swivel into a chicken wing, the ball flies straight and long. What is the proper TGM category to search for such a strange move? Would you say it is a really bad idea and suggest a better way for a newbie like me?

:laughing9 :laughing9 :laughing9

First,,,it's not a "vertical Hinge"; it's a "Wrist Cock". Second, if the Wrist Cocks but does not Turn, it's called "Single Wrist Action".

In TGM Terminology, you are using a "Turning Shoulder Plane with Single Wrist Action", and combining that with a Leading Bent Left Elbow acting to Release and Steer the Secondary Lever.

You're asking me, if I Think that this procedure is a "really bad idea" and should you change your approach before wasting too much Time.

My answer is: it's a "really bad idea" and should you change your approach before wasting too much Time.

Quote:

Use the above sketch (1-L) to see and understand the following characteristics of all Mechanically and Geometrically correct Golf Strokes – form the longest Drive to the Shortest Putt per Chapter 2. visualize this System as based on three all-encompassing Primary Concepts on which all details can easily be attached as the surface – they are the Hinge Action (2-G) of an Angular Motion (2-K) operating on an Inclined Plane (2-F).

innercityteacher 05-27-2010 03:53 PM

Thanks for the clarity, Daryl! I love you man!!!! (In a wholesome fashion.)
 
Daryl, to quote an old gangster movie, "Johnny Dangerously," "Would you like some steaks? Lou, send him some steaks!"

I always wondered what a single wrist cock was! Daryl, pm me and I'll send you some Doritos! What is your favorite kind? Cool Ranch? Lime Surprise? You name it man and I'll Fed-ex a case to you!!!!!

Kevin, Jerry, OB, you all can have some Doritos!!!!!! :laughing1


Bartender, Doritos and a cerveso for my friends! :golfcart:



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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 73176)
:laughing9 :laughing9 :laughing9

First,,,it's not a "vertical Hinge"; it's a "Wrist Cock". Second, if the Wrist Cocks but does not Turn, it's called "Single Wrist Action".

In TGM Terminology, you are using a "Turning Shoulder Plane with Single Wrist Action", and combining that with a Leading Bent Left Elbow acting to Release and Steer the Secondary Lever.

You're asking me, if I Think that this procedure is a "really bad idea" and should you change your approach before wasting too much Time.

My answer is: it's a "really bad idea" and should you change your approach before wasting too much Time.


Daryl 05-27-2010 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 73181)

I always wondered what a single wrist cock was!

Not "Single Wrist Cock". It's "Single Wrist Action". :laughing9

Doritos: Plain

innercityteacher 05-27-2010 06:40 PM

I'm sorry,"Single wrist action," not "single wrist cock"
 
I was flashing back to OB's discussion of giving his wife the right amount pressure on pp# 3. It's almost Friday night here in Philadelphia, and, well, my wife and I are regular with the right amount of pp# 3, and she is taking lessons, to mix several metaphors. :razz:


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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 73182)
Not "Single Wrist Cock". It's "Single Wrist Action". :laughing9

Doritos: Plain


dlam 07-08-2010 02:29 AM

I wonder if we can go back to the original topic. The off topic discussions were delightful funny. Since my first post I've learned a lot.
So to summarize, at impact the clubface can be (sometimes)shut but never closed.
Clubface can be open, layback or square depending on the deliberate hinge action one wants to impart.

Is that right?

Daryl 07-08-2010 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dlam (Post 74193)
I wonder if we can go back to the original topic. The off topic discussions were delightful funny. Since my first post I've learned a lot.
So to summarize, at impact the clubface can be (sometimes)shut but never closed.
Clubface can be open, layback or square depending on the deliberate hinge action one wants to impart.

Is that right?

It would help if you had a Badminton Racket to easily see the Hinge Action through Impact.
  1. Horizontal Hinge: Closing Only
  2. Angled Hinge: Closing with Lay-back
  3. Vertical Hinge: Lay-back Only

The following is a most excellent video explaining Hinge Action (Rhythm).
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/index.p...on-part-1.html

dlam 09-01-2010 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dlam (Post 72697)
I like to ask a simple question. At impact isn't the clubface suppose to be shut or hooded? No one really mentions this, and I wonder this is the "hookface" HK is describing that is built in the irons?:golf:

Its funny 4 months later and 50+ posts later and numerous readings of other blog I can answer my own question

Simple question may not have a simple answer.
Clubface may be shut for special shots.
For full shots clubface can be open(for fade) square (for draw)
I think shutting will lead to topping unless there is major compensation during the swing
There is a distinction between layed off and open clubface
Open being square and angled whereas layed off is more pronounced loft without angling the clubface.
I know this doesn't make sense but it the best way I can describe it.
Is there really such thing as as a closed clubface?
We impact the club with either square, open, shut,layed back club only
Closed clubface is a product of horizontal or beyond horizontal hinging at end of the swing. The clubface may be closing thru impact but is not closed at impact.

Sorry for the long drawn post(ramblings of a madman) but had to get it out my system.


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