Daniel,

All I do is turn it, lift it, and whip it.:pumpkin:

As Tomasello said in my three day school the pivot "shuts the door" or what squares the clubface...no controversial move in the swing.


Right forearm/elbow "Whips It" and the hips or specifically the left hip "Zips It". Whip it and Zip it...Left Hip is responding to the action of the right forearm or the Magic of the Right Forearm...Hit some really awesome drives with this swing yesterday...long and straight as Tommy said....yeeee hawwwww.

A excellent drill for getting the feel of the downswing is the extensor drill that Tomasello uses in the Australia video. It's the one where he doesn't use a club....Tommy puts his right hand on his left wrist...do that drill and I guarantee you get the proper feel of the downswing using the right forearm to start the downswing....you will discover the first move is down. Try to go out with the right forearm with this drill and you will instantly feel how you go off plane. This drill is so simplistic yet incredibly valueable.

Do two sets of this drill....the extensor action drill without a club five times and then put a club in your hands and do the drill five times. Do it daily.

DG

Hi ChangeMySwing and DG,

Thanks. Think I am getting the hang of it. So it's "Turn it, Lift it, Whip it and Zip it".. ;-)

If I do this pulling action with the right hand, my middle section of the forth right hand finger is a bit sore. I always wonder why Tiger got a bandage on his middle section of his middle right hand finger. Perhaps also due to this pulling action.

I think to complete my swing, i need a good takeaway. It just feels very unnatural at the moment.

Thanks for the replies and drills.

cheers,

daniel

Swing Sequences
 

Here are some sequences of Tom

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...tomasello_seq/

Thanks for posting the sequence of TT's swing, HG. I come to this site every day, but some how never viewed it.

Delaware Golf,

Does the right forearm/ hand chop that TT mentions in the video letter series mesh with the stroke pattern that is demonstrated in the Australian videos? I think that the difference between the two videos/strokes is how TT is using his magical right forearm. Could the reason for the difference be his age and physical condition. I see the stroke in the video letters as being an efficient compromise, but still a compromise because it is less athletic than the stroke that he demonstrates in the Australian videos.

No difference....same swing. Have Tommy on video a year before the Australia video using the same uncocking motion as the letter series video. Has nothing to do with his age. :naughty: Watch chapter nine of the chapter series...and listen for the comment, ONE SMOOTH MOTION.

DG

Hi DG/ChangeMySwing,

I have been watching the TT's Australian series and video letters many times, I did not realise it until yesterday. The swing sequense (2) to (3), is just a lifting of the right forearm with very little fanning action. Looks like a purely bicep action. Just lift it.

Of course the reverse action is also true, just karate chop down. Both series and video are the same if we look carefully.

Is it correct?

cheers,

daniel

Remember the 10 sequence drill is just a drill. After you complete the 1 to 2 step in the sequence...study what happens to the right forearm as you cock the right elbow???

DG,

Three things happens when I cock the right elbow:

(1) Right forearm rotates anti-clockwise automatically;
(2) The left shoulder moves forward;
(3) the left knee moves forward and right hip moves back;

They occur almost automatically.

Am I on the right track?

thanks,

daniel

I've figured things out by reading several old posts, and had the chance to beat some balls today with much success.

I was banging my driver 285+ carry.

My efforts were spent on the following thing:

-- Pivot: getting the left side out of the way

-- RFP/ the folding back of the right wrist

-- The right forearm karate chop (seems to open the club face and prevent a heavy draw --hook--

-- Acquired Motion to ensure that I'm using a horizontal hinge.


How does TT' stroke pattern relate to the Maximum Participation Stroke???

I was releasing from the top of my swing and believe that I was generating max power with a sweep release. How is this possible?
I was taught that a sweep release should result in shots that are a club length shorter than using a snap release.

Watch the Tomasello Letter 2 video for the answers...

DG

Simple!!
 

Just got back from Disney World a few days ago after having played the Magnolia Course at Walt Disney World (Home of the Funai tournament). The course is in great shape and it features some pretty challenging green complexes in terms of putting. Usually I can pretty much overpower courses from my traditional Blue Tees, but this was a pretty tough course due to the longish par 3s and brute force par 5s.

At any rate, I have been incubating the Tomasello Letter series...specifically Letter Series #2. I have been trying to reconcile this with a school I took from Martin Green several years ago as well as my lessons with Yoda. Martin Green is based at the Hombre club in Florida and is a protege of Peter Croker. He has an absolutly beautiful swing and could really crank the ball. Martin had me "throwing" the club, but he had me focusing on the pressure in my fingers and that worked sometimes, but also lead me into trouble other times (throwaway). I think I really just didn't "get it" though. However, through this forum and my lessons with Lynn, I really began to understand how the hands, arms, and club form the flying wedges.

At any rate, the Tomasello description of the right arm motion - and swing for that matter - is so simple that it is absolutely mind boggling! I practiced for about 2 weeks in my basement prior to leaving (no range time) and hit some of the longest and straightest drives in my lifetime while at Disney while chalking up one of my best scores ever. I am talking monster drives :laughing9 and I was already pretty strong off the tee to begin with.

I also found it helpful to eliminate all thoughts of lateral motion in my swing because I come from both a baseball and tennis background. I never felt as if I was "stepping into a pitch" as is commonly taught to youngsters and on the tennis court I could pound shots all day long from the baseline without thoughts of weightshift and all that jazz :eyes: . My right forearm keyed the motion and I could smash the ball into oblivion.

So to make a long story short, I really feel like my right arm is controlling my swing and it moves DOWN the plane in a karate chopping motion just as Tomasello recommends. The hips rotate without swaying (checkout the 8board or get a pair of swivel disks from Peter Croker or also check out the swivel disks at exertools) and I really feel like I am building on my earlier athleticism.

Thoughts?

E.

new focus.

Hi DukeNasty,

I was at Mark Evershed's website and chance upon his baseball drill. My god, just forgetting everything and using a baseball swing on an incline plane is working wonders for me. It is a right arm action. And on the first day trying out the drill, I began to hit some of my best shots ever, no more slices. And I found that I am one of those guys that cannot maintain a flat left wrist at the top.

Mark Evershed is Tom's student and he acknowledges it.

Also, in one audio between HK, Lynn and Tomesello, HK mentioned that the swing is a natural action and thus easier to learn than hitting. I am wondering now if he is refering to a baseball type swing on an inclined plane.

cheers,

daniel

ChangeMySwing,

I am trying to reconcile TT's teachings with the baseball swing. I feel that they are actually the same or very similar.

And I am finding out more things about myself, my own percularites. I also found two swing thoughts that are disrupting my swing, a flat left wrist at the top and pitch elbow position. I am having more success by letting them occur naturally.

And like what Tom said, if you keep turning, you can hit as hard as you want with your right hand without the right wrist breaking down. It is the same as in the baseball swing.

A lot of things is just an illusion.

BTW, I'm just a beginner still trying to find out what works.

cheers,

daniel

Great to hear the progress some of the forum members are experiencing with the Magic of the Right Forearm...

Last Saturday I experienced the same long and straight drives...like frickin Magic.

DG

Evershed uses the baseball drill to teach students how to swing on plane, and to prevent the pitfalls of being off plane. Delaware told me in a PM several months ago to use Evershed's Knowledge video as my textbook for 'magic of the right forearm' swinging, and I would suggest that everyone else that is learning this pattern do the same.

I scored 79 on Friday with windy conditions using Eversheds pattern, and I just creamed the ball with a tour player-like trajectory. It was cool being able to play a draw that could sail under the wind, and drop softly on to the greens.


Evershed seems to focus on a different set of components than Tomaselo. He is all about keeping the right hand in it bent back condition, and swinging left. Mark's version of TT's extensor action drill is interesting, and it kind of shows you the relationship between his pattern and TT's. I've started using TT's extensor action drill while holding a golf club in my left hand, making the drill more task oriented. Mark's pattern seems like a switters stroke.

Good Golfling to you all.

Swinging Left
 

What swinging left means in the Evershed video is..."1-L-15" in TGM. That's it. Mark wants to insure that students are achieving 1-L-15. Nothing more nothing less.

What I got out of Evershed's book "The Golf Solution" was the Quiet Body and the section called the Sequence....good drills in both sections of the book. When I first received Mark's book I had an illness that kept me off the golf course for a month, I practiced the drills in that book during that duration. The first tournament that I entered after that month long of study and practice, I won.

DG

Hi DG,

TT mentioned in the video that he is using a push basic stroke pattern. This really clears up some frustration for me as I was trying to use a pitch basic stroke and ran into some problems.

However, isn't a push basic stroke pattern a hitting procedure? Or would you classify the right arm swing as a modified hitting procedure?

cheers,

daniel

I believe Tommy referenced the Push basic stroke due to the comment in 10-3-C ..."It is fairly independent of Hip motion and location." a la the quiet body concept...really, is Tommy using a "From an "up-and-out" Elbow Position"??? Nada...

Sorry, Tommy is using a pitch basic stroke for the swinging procedure and a punch basic for hitting. From your comment, you might be executing the pitch basic stroke incorrectly....especially if you're generating big slices...with the Driver! For the correct move in the downstroke, checkout the extensor action drill Tommy executes in the Australia chapter series videos...I highly recommend you watch all of the Tomasello videos and write down all of the drills...then, practice them daily or as much as possible.

DG

DW,

Have you experimented with using a 10-2-d style grip with TT's pattern?

Hi DG,

Thank you very much.

The part I was refering to is between 14.45 to 15.00 on the letter video part 2.

cheers,

daniel

Minutes earlier....Tommy said "throw it down and out, push it down and out, however you want to call it"...


It's a pitch basic stroke....a right forearm underhand pitch...in the end, Tommy's swinging the club (per 7-3).

DG

Are you guys using impact fix with this pattern?

I perform the extensor action drill over the ball before every shot, and doing this naturally places me at impact fix.

I feel that Tomasello's video and letter series is still incomplete without Evershed's explanations, especially in the hands and pivot action.

daniell, could you give us a summary of how Evershed explains it, sometimes 2 stones are aiming the same target, one stone is easier to throw for one person than the other. I mean, it might be two feels or descriptions for the same purpose.
thanks, i still love this thread guyz.

Mark Evershed’s Knowledge Video:


Mark divides the swing into six parts:

Quiet Body: Creates a stable base for the arms and hands
Faults: fat/ thin shots

Educated Hands: Creates speed
Fault: lack of distance

On-Plane Arms: Accuracy secondary power source
Fault: sprayed shots

Square Stance: all of the above faults

Sequence: The combination of all of the above components.
Fault: Pulled shots for low handicap players; sprayed shots for high handicap players.

Ball Position: Allows the on-plane arms to square the club face.
Fault: shots that deviate to whether the ball is too far forward or back.

Evershed’s focal point of the swing is the right hand instead of the magic of the right forearm(inevitably you are using the right forearm). He focuses on the bent back motion of the right hand and maintaining this position throughout the swing. Mark’s swing is more aligned with the pattern that is showed in TT’s Australian Series, but he never mentions the use of the right arm karate chop motion that TT mentions. Think forearm slap instead of a karate chop (Maximum Participation Stroke--- Ben Doyle says YES)

Hi guys,

Have not been back for a while and a lot of replies seems to have been deleted. What a disappointment ..

Anyway, I now know that what said in those deleted posts are correct. My improvement have been tremendous, at least to my satisfaction. I have not been at the range much, just been playing twice a week. Hits are good, contact is good, distance is fine. Playing mostly a bogey game. Improve on my short game and putting and I'm very certain I should be able to go to single handicap.

cheers.

Why would they be deleted? Here is a post that the admins posted up earlier in the month:

Bad News / Good News

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Bad new first. We've had a very unusual problem with our database; all post and private message data since December 15 was corrupted, and unfortunately this corrupt data found its way into our nightly backups. As you'll be able to tell we didn't lose all the forum data; users registered during that time are fine, the gallery is OK, as are most other portions of the site. I'm doing what I can to recover the missing data, but at this point it isn't looking good. We're especially sorry that we lost some of the great material posted this past month by Jeff Hull and Vickie, two of our resident experts.

The good news is that we're taking advantage of this down time to make some upgrades to our site. This weekend we're going to keep the forum in read-only mode; you'll be able to browse forums, watch videos, etc..., but you won't be able to post. On Monday we plan to turn on a new, upgraded version of the forum software and gallery. This is going to allow us to do and offer more for our great membership in 2007. We've also got some great videos in our pipeline that I'm sure you'll enjoy. Thanks for your patience, and be sure to visit regularly over the coming weeks!

If you've sent a private message to Yoda regarding lessons and have not yet heard back, please send him another note to make sure you can connect and setup a visit to the swamp.

This might explain why some of your posts are missing.
Alex

Oh .. that explains it.

Thanks.