Tracing a straight line beyond impact....
 

Hip / shoulder position at and beyond impact is influenced by what force you are using to trace a staright line before, during and after impact... no??

If you have a bit of active pp1 then you can ( and should )trace your line with less pivot action... if you achieve staright line tracing with passive right forearm then you need lots of pivot...

At least that is the way i see it...


NOW ... if you do not pivot enough to trace a straight line AND you do not have enough active pp1 then you swing right and bend plane line... maybe...

This sounds more confident thani feel i have knowledge for at moment ... so wait for others....:eyes:

Not as obvious as some....but to my eye, hips and shoulders look open at Impact.

straight line tracing
 

2nd to last photo doesn't look like he's tracing a circle of balls placed on the ground. But, the pivot does what it must in order for him to trace a straight line. This assumes that his hands are 'command central', instead of the pivot.

Thanks very much for the pictures birdie_man. Perhaps Perry would have sustained the lag longer if his pivot were more active. His hips seem to be open about 10 degrees at impact, this is in stark contrast with almost all guys on tour that hit the ball 290 yards or further.

nice pics stanky. check the finish on that dude . . . it that ain't a cross line move I ain't never ate a pokechop samich on Bunny Bread.

Stanky......

Ya I earned that rep' in high school too........I was more proud of the volume tho. lol.......lol......lol............................ ......

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U know what.....looking at it again.....I'm not even sure anymore........

I have to assume he's open some....but if he is open it is a very small amount.

At the time I was thinking the camera was adjusted to the left.....his stance may be closed tho. Maybe a sloppy analysis on my part.

It's all interesting though.

This is where we have to make a distinction. I see so many people, post impact, will continue to take their HANDS down the base of the inclined plane. Or better put, from the players perspective, they continue to trace or thrust their hands towards the target. Only problems can be the result. I think what we're really talking about here is DELIVERY LINE-PREP-ROLL. You know I only have the 6th and 7th edition but Homer didn't spend but one or two sentences on DELIVERY LINE-PREP-ROLL. And that's a shame because I think it is a very over looked part of the swing. I can only dream that if Homer had lived longer he may have spent more time exploring DELIVERY LINE-PREP- ROLL. But this is a very important key to tracing the straight plane line with a FLAT LEFT WRIST (bent right wrist).

Put a laser on the end of a clubshaft. Draw a target line, (base of the incline plane line) and then, with a bent right wrist and flat left, from the TOP or END trace the line with the laser into impact on the downswing. After impact(FOLLOW THROUGH both arms straight) if you have maintained a bent right wrist the HANDS will move left and the clubshaft will continue to point at the base of the inclined plane. IF YOU WANT THE CLUBSHAFT TO POINT AT THE BASE OF THE INCLINED PLANE WITH A FLAT LEFT WRIST THE HANDS HAVE TO MOVE LEFT. Plus, this will only be true if the player has a correst PIVOT. That's probably more important than the moving the hands left. I would venture to guess that 75% of golfers swings blow because of an incorrect pivot. But that's another topic.

I think we're letting semantics get in our way of what "swinging left" is.

which would mean his hips are open in relation to that new plane line, right?

The 10-5-E plane line out to right field . . . yes siree.

If your hands are moving on-plane they are moving down and out until AFTER low-point where they move up and in. (towards the target as you say) AFTER low-point. Just like the clubhead. This is desirable. Trace a straight Plane Line.

I'm not sure I know what you mean man. Maybe you could explain more??

Good stuff......and I agree. Prolly some semantic differences as well.

Homer wrote THE BOOK on the golf swing .It took him 28 years and 241 pages.(6th edition).In 12-3-0 he CAPITALISED "DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP" He also capitalised ON LINE HINGE ACTION -why ?.He wrote THE book on the golf swing in less than a copy of golf digest!.He MADE EVERY WORD COUNT.:salut:

common language
 

Swing to the left, hit to right field, rotate in a barrel, slide the hips to the target, wide and low, cock the wrist early & swing down steep, release the club from the top, don’t release the club.

What EVERY instructor outside of The Golfing Machine DOES NOT have is a common language. It is their Tower of Babel. Most instructors have a natural ability with no clear way to explain to students the physics and geometry of the golf stroke. A confederacy of ambiguous feelings. The fog lies heavy for them as instructors think what the say makes sense. Check any instruction show or magazine article.

TGM instructors and their STUDENTS have a common language. Maybe Homer’s greatest gift to Golf.

I agree very much.

As an example - the plane is not defined by Homer as the clubSHAFT. A very important part of TGM to understand.

Before I knew anything about TGM ,if somebody said swing left I would have been UNDER PLANE .Since the old waverly school when BOTH LYNN AND V.J. said "golf is played "out there" NOT" BACK HERE". I UNDERSTAND !
the CAPITALISED bits are important:laughing1

I'm in the learning phase, so maybe I can be a sample of the student population.

A teacher who has all the information told me to "turn around my *spine*" and to "swing left." I literally attempted to swing by turning laterally around each section of my spine (instead of a swing center). Then I would try to swing left. The results: I lost 25 yards and gained 8 strokes. I made many visits back to better understand the information, but the information never got specific.

In fact, I had to go to the internet to figure out his advice. A google search got me to the yellow book.

I think some teachers fail to realize that vague information can be interpreted lots of ways, and the student leaves guessing which is correct and in search of the confidence he lost.

I don't know why some teachers behave thisway, whether it is out of apathy or out of a lack of respect for the student's intellect, but being vague is a real detriment to a student.

Fortunately for me, I have found one of the best out there to guide me along...

Any thought of 'swing left' tends to produce a right shoulder and/or right foream that is way too high through impact, a round house move. It may work as a band aid for some because they effectively use the right shoulder to compensate for uneducated hands and misaligned flying wedges, and try to square up with a right shoulder 'lunge'.

Far better to learn to get that right shoulder moving down plane, and to learn proper hinge action and Rhythm.

Chip, pitch, punch. The right arm straightens down and OUT, through impact, to both arms straight

May I add to this staement if I could.
I would say the reason most people think in terms of left is this thinking of the follow through as being the total cause and effect and not the downswing.
So lets keep in mind many of the top teachers in this world can't break 80. Why would they say they would hit the ball on the downswing?
So really the only time I would think of being left is when I am testing my finished product (the wedges and were my right shoulder may or may have not ended up) in my finish and not my follow though.

Several reasons in my humble opinion and having taken many lessons over the years...a teacher's lack of knowledge and/or ability to communicate his/her own swing feels .....and economics.

I was at the range yesterday practicing near the instructors' teaching areas and one of the teachers was greeting a student and the instructor asked the student what she would like to work on today. I've heard that before personally and that just blows me away. How is the student in a position to know what to "work on".:)