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strav 06-08-2007 02:25 AM

Time on
 
You are going to need at least another 90 minutes Drew!

neil 06-08-2007 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by okie (Post 42471)
Always assume that I "crib" all my material! Originality is nothing but judicious imitation Voltaire once said! I do not recall where I got most of the outline from, it may have been a Chuck Evans bit. Still I always start with the mission at hand (pun intended.) Introducing the younglings to the golf ball (and the principle of sustaining the line of compression) and the implement that is well designed for its task (despite what Winston Churchill thought!) I compare the club to a high performance vehicle. The shaft is the motor, the head the chasis, the face the steering wheel. I know that you are addressing open-minded professionals but remediation is a must at all levels of learning ! I then proceed to unvail the secret of lag pressure, the FLW & BRW, as well as the importance of the plane. You will probably have to camp out at Planesville for a while. Although my study of TGM is still in the novice stage I have come across very few people (pros included) that understand what the true plane for every golfstroke (or club if you will) is. If a group of 15 year olds can understand the basic concepts surely your peers will have little difficulty. The last sentence becomes funnier the more I read it!

A piggyback question unrelated to the thread! I stumbled across talk of a Yoda DVD while ferreting through the archives like a crazed vagrant in search metholated spirits. TGM addiction is a serious affair (pun in poor taste intended) Anyway I did not find the final chapter on that particular thread. So, is there such a thing? That is a DVD with Yoda & Co. doing their thang? What a coup if there is. There is NO substitute for the book, but great communicators like Yoda are indispensible for the rest of us hard of understanding types.

Technical question. Why does Ben Doyle feel that ball postioning is a stationary thing i.e. that ball is played from the same spot relative to low point. Is this to achieve a special purpose or did he respectively disagree? I got my hands on one of Mr. Doyles How To Build a G.O.L.F Swing tapes. It is amazing to watch him go through all 24 components as thoroughly as he does. A great learning activity for me is watching the tape with the book as a quick reference. Still, kinda curious about the ball position thing.

Okie out

As you narrow your stance by moving your back foot toward your front foot ,you move your left shoulder (low point) more in front of the ball.
Sorry drew i don't want to hijack:redface:

SECGolf 06-08-2007 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drewitgolf (Post 42470)
SEC, you obviously have been studying TGM for awhile. Have you ever worked with Mike Perpich GSEM at River Pines Golf?

No, only lessons from and questions to Ted Fort for me. Strict hitter - no desire to deal with a release swivel or give up control to centrifugal force, so why not learn from the best? (This is NOT to say, or give even the slightest impression that Ted encourages one to hit, but his knowledge of hitting is second to none in the whole world - same as his knowledge of TGM and swinging, so you do have the option) Plus, I like to be a little different.
Fortunately, I have found my answers, TGM and Ted Fort, and have and will continue to go full blast.

drewitgolf 06-09-2007 07:50 AM

Every ending needs a beginning.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by strav (Post 42483)
You are going to need at least another 90 minutes Drew!

If not a lifetime.

mrodock 06-10-2007 12:54 AM

I think there is great potential in showing the application of G.O.L.F. (how most touring pros are great with the three imperatives and handicap golfers are not with video examples for instance) and also giving an overview (wetting the appetite for study).

okie 06-12-2007 06:37 PM

Ball Position Plus
 
Thank you for the response Neil. Attempting to reconcile what you said in the the mirror alerted me to a tendency that I did not realize that I have/had - not varying the width of my stance much for different clubs, my stance for a wedge was in fact too wide. so thank you for the ball postion info as well as the unintended benefit!

Okie out

Carl Spackler 09-26-2007 10:09 AM

Drew,

I will be in attendance and am looking forward to it. I am a Campbell grad and had the dubious honor of being David's 1st Teacher's Assistant (aka "Top Bitch"). I am looking forward to seeing his spectrum presentation as it has been a while since I first saw him present it. I was very pleased when I found out your background (2 AI's at a PGA Seminar!!!). Looking forward to seeing how your present your information. I always enjoy going back to the basics. Always find something new. Unfortunatly, you will not impact everyone there. People are stubborn. This is David's 4th year at Campbell and still can't get everyone to buy into him. It will come though...have to look at the big picture.

Whatever you decide to talk about, I am sure it will go well. Even if you do confuse them a bit, it is better than given them bad information. Some will catch on...those that want to. I think your presentation will go a long way in being a starting point for many. If David had not come to Campbell, I don't think I would have ever picked up the book. Hopefully after attending the seminar, others will begin to search into "The Machine".

I know that I will get a great deal out of it...hope others will as well.

-Darren Falk

drewitgolf 09-26-2007 10:53 AM

Up in the Northeast
 
Thanks Darren,


It will be a challenge to provide as much information as I can, given time constraints, but without confusing the heck out of some.

It may not be for everyone, but you never know.

We'll have to have a drink or two afterwards.
BTW, Rob Baxter, also an A.I., will be helping me out as my "Designated Driver" for both Swinging and Hitting.

See You Friday,
Drew

Amen Corner 09-26-2007 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drewitgolf (Post 45829)
See You Friday,
Drew


Drew,

Sorry, but I am unable to attend!!!:crybaby:

Nevertheless, I am sure that you will rock:headbang:

and many will :pray: for more......

Keep us updated!:salut:

Sligo33 09-26-2007 06:27 PM

Drew,

Best of luck on Friday. You and BBax have my support and confidence. Wish I could be there. Your knowledge and passion, for the topic, will win the day. Let us all know how your presentation goes.

Hope to see somewhere down the fairway.

Michael Phillips

tbyeaton0627 09-27-2007 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 45828)
Drew,

I will be in attendance and am looking forward to it. I am a Campbell grad and had the dubious honor of being David's 1st Teacher's Assistant (aka "Top Bitch"). I am looking forward to seeing his spectrum presentation as it has been a while since I first saw him present it. I was very pleased when I found out your background (2 AI's at a PGA Seminar!!!). Looking forward to seeing how your present your information. I always enjoy going back to the basics. Always find something new. Unfortunatly, you will not impact everyone there. People are stubborn. This is David's 4th year at Campbell and still can't get everyone to buy into him. It will come though...have to look at the big picture.

Whatever you decide to talk about, I am sure it will go well. Even if you do confuse them a bit, it is better than given them bad information. Some will catch on...those that want to. I think your presentation will go a long way in being a starting point for many. If David had not come to Campbell, I don't think I would have ever picked up the book. Hopefully after attending the seminar, others will begin to search into "The Machine".

I know that I will get a great deal out of it...hope others will as well.

-Darren Falk

Third bitch here,:salut: its tought to live up to your standards...overachiever...if all else fails drew i'd talk about how much The Golfing Machine supports the Red Sox push for a pennant

drewitgolf 10-01-2007 10:38 AM

Thanks everyone!
 
Thank you all for your input. The presentation went off as planned on Friday. I gave an introduction to TGM for about two hours (actually had to cut my outline from 10 to 6 pages :( ), before fellow A.I. and PGA member David Orr, aka "Annikna Skywalker", discussed Swing Spectrums and Stack and Tilt. While some may have been overloaded with all of the information, the presentations served as an example that there is more out there than conventional instruction can provide; objective information that answers all questions.

On an ironic note, I sat with a fellow PGA member, that I had not met before, at lunch before the presentations. He told me the last time he heard a presentation on TGM was Valentine's Day 1983 at a meeting of the Georgia Section of the PGA; the day Homer Kelley died on stage making his final presentation.

Yoda 10-01-2007 01:46 PM

H-e-e-e-r-e-s Drew!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by drewitgolf (Post 45877)

The presentation went off as planned on Friday. I gave an introduction to TGM for about two hours (actually had to cut my outline from 10 to 6 pages...

Congrats, Drew. Wish I coulda been there!

:clap:

BBax 10-03-2007 08:17 AM

Getting the message out
 
It was a great time had by all. Listening to Drew and watching David demonstrate his "swinging" and "hitting" motion was priceless. The information is addictive. The more I learn the more I want to learn more. Thanks Drew and David.:salut:

SwingNorthtoSouth 10-04-2007 06:55 AM

You Da Man
 
Nice going Drew:salut:

Did you tape it for us to view??.

strav 10-04-2007 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwingNorthtoSouth (Post 45911)
Nice going Drew:salut:

Did you tape it for us to view??.

If not are the ten pages available?

Yoda 10-04-2007 09:38 AM

Dowels and Diapers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BBax (Post 45898)
It was a great time had by all. Listening to Drew and watching David demonstrate his "swinging" and "hitting" motion was priceless. The information is addictive. The more I learn the more I want to learn more. Thanks Drew and David.:salut:


Love your 'signature' photo, BBax!

:laughing9

drewitgolf 10-04-2007 10:05 AM

Six pages for Your viewing Pleasure
 
There were many things that didn't make the cut do to time constraits: 24 Components, Twelve Sections, etc...
The explanation was more detailed then the outline, but I hope it helps:

The Golfing Machine (G.O.L.F.) by Homer Kelley
Drew Chapman PGA, Authorized Instructor of The Golfing Machine

General Guidelines for your student to see progress
1. Understand the Information in their best way (details, visual, one thought, feel)
Instructor’s responsibility is to Inform and Explain
Encourage the student to ask questions.
2. Remember the Information –write it down. It is going to take some work and study
3. Correct Information
Objective (Geometry and Physics) vs. Subjective (Golf Lore)
Newton’s First Three Laws
1. The Law of Inertia
2. Force and Acceleration
3. Reacting Forces
Lawyers, Accountants, Doctors, Engineers, Mechanics, etc. spend years learning their craft. They don’t deal in subjectives.
Demanding that golf Instruction be kept simple does not make it simple, only incomplete. You need a vast tool chest if you are going to tune a racecar.
Guided Struggle vs. a blind struggle
4. The Student’s Ability to Absorb and Apply
Recognizing major difference before recognizing minor differences.
Let Mechanics produce, Look, Look, Look, let feel reproduce.
Educated Hands sense pressure points and Alignments

Making a difference motion vs. a better one

Homer Kelley, author of The Golfing Machine, 1907-1983
· “Problem Solver” at Boeing Aircraft
· Lesson gift from his boss at an indoor range at night in Seattle
· First Round-two 60’s
· Shot a 77 in 5 months, but why? Area golf pros (experts) could not give him the answer he sought.
· 16 years later- the Flat Left Wrist
· 28 years to write the first edition
· 40 years to complete the sixth edition
· His Vision was to provide the Correct Information to the Golfing Public

"Past Untruths" TGM has had to live with: it is strictly a method, strictly mechanics, way too complicated.
Reality: Complete System based on Options and Variations, Feel System based on Educated Hands.

Stroke Pattern Concept
· 24 Components-actions that can be properly executed in more than one way: Constants or Samenesses
· 144 Cataloged Variations: Variables or Differences
· 446,512,500,000,000,000 ways to do it right
· My Way (My System) vs. The Way (Their Method)

Terminology in the book is dictionary definitions.

The Problem
· Hit the back of the ball with a square clubface,
· swinging forward
· swinging down the line or move the clubhead in a straight line before or after Impact.

The Number #1 Cause for bad shots is a Bent Left Wrist and Loss of Rhythm (clubshaft and Left Arm not staying in line).

Bare-boned definition of the Golf Stroke
· the Hinge Action
· of an Angular Motion
· on an Incline Plane

The Three Functions of the Club
· Clubface
· Clubhead
· Clubshaft

The Three Imperatives (things we must have)
· Flat Left Wrist-Clubface Control-Hinge Action
· Lag Pressure Point-Clubhead control-Angular (circular) Motion
· Straight Plane Line-Clubshaft Control-Inclined Plane (Heart and Soul of the Motion)

Three Essentials (things that are nice to have)
· Stationary Head
· Balance
· Rhythm

The Three Stations (Static)
· Station 1 Address- be as prepared as possible
· Station 2 The Top- be as precise as possible
· Station 3 The Finish- be as smooth and complete as possible through Impact to the Finish

The Star System Triad
· The Three Imperatives
· Controlling the Three Functions
· Through the Three Stations


Geometry of Circle
· Center -Left Shoulder
· Radius-bottom of the radius is the bottom of the stroke, low point (in the ground) always points at the plane lines
· Tangent
· Chord
· Impact
· Plane (visualized as having four corners) pitched roof
· Club moves downward thru impact, outward and forward (three dimensional)
· On Plane means pointing the clubshaft (sweetspot) at the Plane Line, by tracing with the right forearm and right forefinger, or the clubshaft is parallel to the Plane Line (gutter of the roof).
· Plane can tilt as long as you don’t change the base line (gutter)
· Hands visually cover Left Foot
· Right Forearm points well in front of the ball on Plane

Plane Shifts can be hazardous
A Zero Shift Plane-Right shoulder turns to the plane of the right forearm (right shoulder, #3 pressure point and sweet spot all on the same plane) and move down the plane through the target line into the ground to the low point (great hidden line). Three dimensional impact.
Plane line, Stance line, Target line are normally parallel


The Three Basic Wrist Motions
· Horizontal Flat Bent Arched
· Perpendicular Level Cocked Uncocked
· Rotational Vertical Turned Rolled

Law of the Flail-Left Arm creates a Flail (how farmers beat wheat)
· Centrifugal Acceleration
· Centrifugal Momentum
· Centrifugal Deceleration

Golfer’s Flail
· cocking and uncocking (Accumulator 2) Clubhead Motion
· turning and rolling (Accumulator 3) Clubface Motion
· There are no Horizontal Motions.

Alignment of Educated Hands
· Have to learn to go through the ball with a Flat Left Wrist and a Bent Right Wrist. Flattening the Right Wrist (horizontal motion) destroys the Flat Left Wrist.
· Once the left wrist uncocks to a Level Condition, The Flail should roll (on a line).
· Left Arm Flying Wedge-Plane of the Left Wrist cock Motion-vertical plane
When the club is gripped under the heel pad you have an angle: Angle of the #3 Accumulator (Left Arm Flying Wedge)
· Right Forearm Arm Flying Wedge the wrinkles are in the back of the wrist
Right Forearm and shaft on the same plane (right wrist is always level, never cocked or uncocked)
· Wedges are always at right angles or at 90 degrees to one another and are always in Impact Alignments.

Physics-Optional Procedures, Power Considerations
· A Pull (Swinging)
· A Push (Hitting)

Power Package
· Arms and Club
· Four Power Accumulators
o #1 Right Arm (Elbow Drive Out) Muscle Power
o #2 Left Wrist (Cock and Uncock) Velocity Power
o #3 Left Hand, forearm and Clubshaft (Turn and Roll) Transfer Power
o #4 Left Arm and Left Shoulder (Centrifugal Throwout) Radius Power
Lower Power use only one accumulator. Full Power for the Swinger uses Three Accumulators. The Hitter uses Four Accumulators.

· Four corresponding Pressure Points-The Feel of Educated Hands
o #1 Heel of the Right Hand against the base of the Left Hand Thumb
o #2 Last Three fingers of the Left Hand
o #3 Right Hand Fore Finger
o #4 Left Arm contact against the Chest

Swinging
Adjusted Address: left wrist bent, right wrist straight (unlike impact condition)
Swing back motion to the Top using Extensor Action, stretching pulling out the left arm to get maximum width, to swing the club back along the Plane of the Right Forearm all the way to the Top.
(Startup Swivel) Left hand turns early to get on the face of the plane then comes up the face of the plane.
At end, the weight of the club causes the club to Load against knuckle of the right index finger.
Drag the butt end club toward the line
Left Hand Karate Chop Action through the line of sight to the ball
4-2-3 Sequenced Release (three stage rocket). (Accumulator1 is passive with the swinger): Club is thrown out using the right shoulder to blast the left arm off chest (#4 Accumulator) accentuated by wrist motion throw-out action releases of the left wrist cock (#2 accumulator) followed by wrist roll (#3 accumulator) into the Horizontal Hinge (closing only) Action to the finish.
Three Swivels (Startup Swivel, Release Swivel which mirrors the start up swivel, (Hinge Action), Finish Swivel)
Swingers-Rope Handle-shaft acts as a piece of string (functions as a rope). Don’t push on a piece of string. You whirl it out.

Hitting
Startup from a more structure Position with flat left, bent right wrist
Extensor Action “carry-back” with right forearm
Turns and rolls simultaneously all the time
Resists the backstroke from going to end, clubshaft stays high, behind the shaft
Hips lead to take out slack
4-1-2-3 Simulateous Release (batteries in parallel), Right Shoulder acts as a back-stop, actively uses his right tricep to drive the right forearm through the ball.
The right arm (elbow) as it uncocks, also uncocks the left wrist and simultaneously rolls left hand), gradual rolling all the time.
Angled Hinge-simultaneous close and layback
One swivel only, Finish Swivel
Hitters-Axe Handle-Shaft acts as an Ax Handle, stiffness is important. He needs all the support he can get to push against.

The Power Package assembly and sequence of operation
· Accumulate
· Load
· Store
· Deliver
· Release

Execution
· All Quick and Jerky motions are improper
· The Ideal: Deliberate (Down, Out and Forward), Positive (Acceleration), and Heavy (Clubhead Lag)
· Every move is coldly Deliberate, Calculated and Disciplined.
· Hit the ball with the Pressure Points in your Hands, not by flinging the clubhead at the ball.

The Formula for Ball Speed: (70% of your clubhead approach speed + 100% of your clubhead separation speed). While clubhead speed is important, you must also have resistance to slow down.

Three Types of Lag
1. Pivot Lag-every lagging component puts a drag on the leading components, Gear Train. Starts from the ground up
2. Accumulator Lag (Power Package, package of the Power Accumulators-the Triangle) located in the upper torso
3. Clubhead Lag- clubhead feel is sensed in the right fore finger is never released, senses acceleration. IT is the SECRET OF GOLF!

Hinge Action (club Face control)-duplicated in the Left shoulder. Hinge Assembly has a pin, mounting and a blade. The Pin is always mounted vertical or perpendicular to one of Three Basic Planes: Horizontal (ground), Angled (between the floor and the wall) or Vertical (wall). The Hinge always moves 90 degrees around the pin in a circle.

· Horizontal Hinge-closing only cluface motion, produces a roll, feels like a full roll of the Flat Left Wrist
· Angled Hinge-simulataneous closing and layback clubface motion, produces a half roll, feels like a no roll of the Flat Left Wrist
· Vertical Hinge-layback only clubface motion (stays square to the line), produces a no roll, feels like a reverse roll of the Flat Left Wrist

Dual Actions keeps Horizontal and Vertical on Plane. Angled Hinge is already on Plane and does not need a dual arrangement.

drewitgolf 10-04-2007 10:11 AM

Missing Pictures
 
The Outline also include pictures: Geometry of the Circle, Flying Wedges, Great Players at Impacts, etc. Unfortunately, I am not computer-literate enough to post them. Sorry:crybaby: .

dkerby 10-04-2007 11:24 AM

Drewitgolf
 
What a wonderfull post, 6 pages. I am really impressed. Thanks, Donn

strav 10-04-2007 03:18 PM

Very much appreciated. Thanks Drew.

Sligo33 10-04-2007 11:26 PM

Drew,

Reaaly enjoy your outline. Thanks for sharing it. Again your knowledge and enthusiasm for the sublect is first rate.

mark 10-05-2007 04:39 PM

hi drew , hoping also to do a g.o.l.f. presentation in Germany, have you got any video from your presentation? etc cheers sustain the lag :golf:

drewitgolf 10-06-2007 08:38 AM

An Outline is worth a 1,000 words
 
Sorry Mark. No videos of the presentation :( .

I suggest going to video section of LBG. Lots of "Yellow" Nuggets can be found there.

BCGolf 10-12-2007 10:57 PM

Many in the audience will be experienced instructors who are invested in their own methodology. I suggest starting with 1-L Machine Concept.

Explain viewing the body as a machine concept and the three functions Clubshaft, Clubhead, and Clubface. Allow this to lead into Plane, Pressure Points, and Flat Left Wrist. I believe these concepts will arouse interest without threatening points of view.

Next cover the imperatives and essentials. To back it all up – Geometry of the circle!

Good Luck

nicklin 10-14-2007 11:30 PM

In my humble opinion the bent right wrist is the most important aspect of the golf stroke.Without it you have nothing...all the power is gone before impact and this leads to throw away.This to me is the primary reason for another great problem...over acceleration.The body does this to compensate for the loss of power storage which is cause by straightening the right wrist before impact.

In essence the Golf stroke is all about power storage...The bent right wrist allows the golfer to do exactly that.

To me that is the bottom line.

Kumabjorn 10-15-2007 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThinkingPlus (Post 42374)
How about including the progression from Basic to Acquired to Total motion? Seems to me that would be very accessible and is a great way to start out students. It would be a great example that would be instantly applicable within each pro's own teaching.

As someone who is an experience golfer but TGM newbie this would clearly get my vote. This is one of the toughest things to fully comprehend, but fairly easy to digest. I believe a lot of non-TGM teaching pros would benefit substantially from a better understanding of this concept.

Seanmx 10-15-2007 09:06 AM

Thansk for sharing the 6 pages : Very interesting


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