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YodasLuke,

With 10-5-E and the steeper Plane causing the Clubshaft to be almost vertical at the Top do you find the loading of #3 PP feels different than when using 10-5-A?

Also, I just wanted to say that your posts here in the Hitters forum are a great help. They really help to give me an understanding of the mechanics and feels of the Hitting Stroke.

Thanks again.

Greg

Puzzle Complete
 

Add a little Lag Pressure and a Top Top (10-21-A) -- Hands Right Shoulder high per 10-21-0-1 with a 'high' Clubshaft (pointing toward the sky and nowhere near horizontal). Then, with all due respect to my British friends:

By jove, I think you've got it!

:salut:

handing it down
 

I'm happy that I could help in any way. I just want to be a conduit for the information. Lynn helped me beyond measure. And, I'm sure that he would agree that Homer helped him beyond measure.

The feel of the #3 is different for each. When the club is on a steeper Plane, it feels lighter.

Tag Team
 

Absolutely, Ted. We stand on the shoulders of a giant.

Homer Kelley left The Golfing Machine to us in his written and recorded words.

The torch is there.

For those who would pass it...

And accept it...

The legacy lives on.

:salut:

More Questions
 

Been listening to the recordings, reading the book and the posts here. Still some confusion.

Let me start with that I do understand ( I think) the different procedures - Feelwise.

But the geometrical/mechanical aspects are disturbing me. And I wonder if Homer, unintentionally, mixed mechanics and feelings in chapter 2.

So please comment my thinking.

So here we go;

It took some re-readings to see that Yoda higtlighted clubhead and not clubshaft.

If I trace with my right forearm the Geometric Plane line ( A straight Line ) - The clubhead will cover the Arc of Approach, so the blur makes an arc

also,

With my right forearm tracing the Angle of Approach ( which also is a straight line) - the clubhead will cover the Angle of Approach.

And here comes my thoughts of Mr. K´s mixing.

The feel should be that the clubhead blurs in a straight line, but the blur is in fact making an arc since we have an inclined plane.

The only time the blur does not make an arc and moves in a straight line is if the plane is striktly vertical.

or am I totally wrong here?

Meatballz . . . . You are making this WAY WAY WAY too hard brothaman. The EFFORT is to make the club move out to right field in a straight line. That's it . . . can you actually do it? Probably not because your armz is connected to your body so eventually you are going to have the club move and an arc . . . and when you move something in an ARC . . . what do you get? You by LAW get CF. But in Hitting do you want CF? No you don't. But can you eliminate it? No you can't. But can you limit it? Yes. How? By moving in as STRAIGHT of a LINE fashion as you can.

The Angle of Approach can be located . . . but Homer said it doesn't really matter HOW MUCH or HOW LITTLE you GO OUT . . . just GO OUT ON AS STRAIGHT OF A LINE AS POSSIBLE. Homer said that the Angle of Approach procedure would accomodate varying degrees of OUT just as well.

Dude you understand this . . . you gotta put it in the incubator and just let it simmer. Leave it alone and come back. You got it thought dude. You just don't think you got it.

My way
 

When I play I'll take a couple of practice swings (hits) tracing the planeline (with RF and PP3). I'll watch the direction of the clubhead into impactposition.
Then when I hit the ball I'll abandon the feel of tracing the planeline. Instead I'll hit down on the ball, out in the direction of the clubhead seen in the practice swings.
That's it - is that it?

All kinds of stuff goes wrong sometimes: ie. when I want to hit it too hard and runs out of right arm, or when the feeling of wanting to hit forward gets too big, or when I take the club too far back and turns the hands and suddenly needs to swivel/roll back into impact........etc

But on most days, this is sooooo simple. Just trust it, and hit it long and straight.

looking down plane
 

Homer said the Plane was "vertical" then paused and said, "slightly inclined." The clubhead will always make an arc, since the club is orbiting your left shoulder as it is the top of the radius. But, you can see the second hand of a clock moving in a straight line, if your eyes are on the same plane of motion. It doesn't mean the second hand stopped moving in an arc.

He said you can't have an Angle of Approach to an Angle of Approach procedure. In Ted's words, you can't have a visual equivalent, since what you're seeing and what you're doing are one in the same.

Thank you Ted,

A follow up.

You have said that you sometimes change between 10-5-A and 10-5-E.

Do you when using 10-5-A you trace Angle of Approach and when using 10-5-E trace the Geometrical Plane Line with your right forearm?

Geometric Plane Line is GONE
 

Not Ted, but this may shed a little more light on the subject. You need to reverse your above statement to read like this: "When using 10-5-A you Trace the True Geometric Plane Line and when using 10-5-E you Trace the Angle of Approach."

Here's some more info, hopefully it won't be confusing. These are, thanks to Ted, the words of Homer,

"The original plane is gone - don't even think about it. It's totally replaced."

Remember that, when using Angle of Approach. You can't trace something that's gone. The Clubhead COVERS the 10-5-E Plane Line and is also TRACED by the Right Forearm and #3 PP. Per 5-0, "... the Delivery Lines, in addition, must be 'Traced' by the Right Forearm."

Remember, when using Angle of Approach Procedure, you're NOT using 10-5-E as a new Plane, you're just using its baseline as a guideline for the Clubhead.

The visually equivalent Delivery Line, the Angle of Approach, always exists then using 10-5-A but unless you choose to, you're not necessarily covering it with the Clubhead.

Also, per 5-0, " The Plane Line - being the basic- can substitute for any of its "Visual Equivalents' at any time."

Angle of Approach and Arc of Approach are "Visual Equivalents" to the True Geometric Plane Line. Pick one of three and that's the one you Trace.

A quote from Yoda:

"Again, the Right Forearm always traces the selected Delivery Line. Then, depending on the procedure being used, the Sweetspot covers either the Arc of Approach or the Angle of Approach."

Hopefully that helps. It helps me to be sure to think about the three Delivery Lines seperately. Each one is used indepedently of the others to deliver the Clubhead.

great post
 

Great information in this post...

Hey Ted I tried Hitting once......ONCE!!!!!!- Sissy Swinger

no worries
 

If Swinging was abandoned by all, who would play the red tees? ;) :laughing9 :twisted:

Don't tempt me Ted!:naughty:

This thread is FANTASTIC
 

Long time lurker who saw Lynn about 15 months ago.

I had a long way to go, but got a foundation that would help me get there. What I've struggled with and realized with this thread is I am a hitter through and through. The extension of my right elbow as I move to impact fix is absolutely my downswing key.

What I didn't realize I was struggling with was where my hands went. I read Clampett's book and forever had been told about tracing the delivery line. Reading this thread and that I should focus on the angle of approach and cover that instead of tracing the plane line made a HUGE difference in my stroke.

At the range yesterday and on the course today, I was consistently striping the ball without the thin shots or pulls I fought before. It was like my swing had a natural path. I'm still going through the 'rub the stomach while patting the head' adjustment to the new delivery path being a subconscious thought, but this was huge.

I feel SO much more prepared for my next session with Lynn. Unfortunately our schedules don't mesh in January. The good news is I picked up Atlanta as a territory, so I should be able to get out there on a much more regular basis.

Designated Hitter
 

Ed,

Just because I'm teaching in Orlando the week of your Atlanta visit doesn't mean you have to forego help in The Swamp. Drop Ted Fort a PM and arrange a lesson with him. Nobody knows Hitting better than Ted, and you will definitely benefit from his instruction.

:golf:

warm beer
 

Don't mess with me you warm beer drinker...

nothing like it...
 

There's nothing like getting the vote of confidence from THE MAN, HIMSELF. I appreciate it and would be glad to help.

Thanks Lynn, I'll do that!

ed