1-L-18 animation
 

OK I dont know how long will stay up on Youtube but here it is. Disregard the copywrite claim this thing is solely based on the work of others.

1-L-18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NeizRf3JZY

OMG. Hopeless. :( Typical Club Pro.

I know he double Shifts. From a Square Shoulder Plane - up and Back down to a Square shoulder Plane.

The Point I'm making is about the On-Plane Right Shoulder. It drives the Hands onto the same Plane as the Right Shoulder if the Power Package is allowed to drop from the shoulder sockets. The Clubhead will follow also. So, all that one needs, to have all of the Power Package components on Plane, is "get the Right Shoulder On Plane and have the pivot force it Down-plane". Unbending the Right arm before release wrecks the stroke by lowering the Hands to a shallower plane.

Am I the Only guy in the world that gets this?

The steeper the plane, the less potential sidespin (within the limits of the clubs designed lie angle).

In an ideal application for accuracy (not a human, but a mechanical machine), the plane would be verticle, with exactly the right alignments (ball at proper low point etc).

Of course that assumes a club designed differently (a 90 degree lie angle).

In an ideal application for power, the plane would be horizontal, with exactly the right alignments for ball position. (for those being picky, I suppose you would have to account for gravity's downward pull)

If you hold a club out in front of you, arms straight out in front of the chest and make a baseball swing, you have a more rotational motion, more potential power, but less potential accuracy (less margin for error in ball position and clubface alignment). Lots of #3, very little #2.

If you do the same thing, but swing up/down like an axe, you'd have great potential for accuracy, but power variation might be more difficult (less margin for error in angle of attack/spin). Lots of #2, but little #3.

Mechanically speaking, the best plane angle would be 45 degrees for all shots - to give the most margin for error in power and accuracy.

Of course all of the above must consider the human machine, and the club's design.

You guys might think I'm crazy but I'm not.


Accuracy depends on Hinging the Primary Lever; the Left Arm Wedge.

There is no such thing as a Left Arm Wedge on a Primary Lever using the Elbow Plane. The Primary Lever is weak at best. Always leads to throwaway.

Who you call'n Pro?


The Point I'm trying to make is that assuming he (his pressure points) are on a Square Shoulder Plane at Top the "shoulder sockets drop" thing you describe is a plane shift in the manner of 1-L-18. Its "The" Plane , The Inclined Plane but its Angle Shifts. Those "shoulder socket drop" hatched lines you draw are illustrative in a 1 D pen on paper sense but the truth is seen in 3d perspective with animation. This is Homers Inclined Plane and its angle changes. Dynamically and according to our own Pattern. You could do a unique animation for any golfer from Jim Furyk to Lee Trevino.




If you get the Power Package on the same plane as the Right Shoulder at Top you are on a TSP of one angle or another. The closer this particular angle that you have pre selected approximates the Elbow Plane the less the Plane Angle shift required to get the Power Package onto the Elbow Plane prior to Impact. The Canadian guy does this nicely with a rather steepish Elbow Plane Angle at Impact helping to lessen the Angle shift required. I agree that it does appear to be almost shiftless in the Downstroke.

You can not unbend the Right Elbow prior to Release. Why? Because unbending the Right Elbow is by definition its, #1's , Release.

QUITE POSSIBLY. But then again, its is your theory after all.

This is true. Assuming your Left Arm drops off the club prior to the Inclined Plane shifting back to the Elbow Plane.

If running down this plane can limit loading pp4, I'm assuming that kinetic link is affected (weaker) and the stroke must rely on acc1 to create speed.

The Dashed Line in frame two represents his double Plane Shift and not the "Shoulder Sockets Drop Thing".

AND

I understand how the Plane angle may vary yet the base line of the Plane stays straight and remains unchanged.

Homer is saying that as your Hand Path Changes, the Clubshaft Angle should Change to Match. Which is contrary to 1-L#18 because the initial path of an Elbow Planer Double Shifter is to have his hands drop almost straight down from the Top of his Swing and not anywhere close to the Plane-line. But, he says, also, that if you know how to control the procedure, set the Clubshaft onto the Impact Angle and keep it at that Angle throughout the Stroke regardless that it doesn't point to the Baseline of the Plane until RELEASE which again, is contrary to 1-L#18 because throughout the down-stroke, the shaft is pointing into the cosmos but never at the Plane Line.

This is why Plane Angle Shifts are Hazardous. In order to remain in control, the Shaft angle and Hand Path should be the same which can only occur if the Hand Path can follow a Straight Line Path to the Baseline. Review the Iceman Picture.



Your response missed my point completely. I was saying that the Right Shoulder, being forced down-plane by the pivot, will align the Hand Path and Clubshaft onto the same Plane if you allow it to.

YOU.



Not from the Top. At your own risk. The Right Arm Throw is a Trigger. If started at Start-Down it prevents the Downstroke Acceleration Sequence. Use it from the Top with a Non-Pivot Stroke.



It's not my theory. It's TGM. Winter is coming. You'll have time to finally read the Book. You should buy a copy.

Kev, I've isolated the section of your post that was disturbing and off-base. Please - how many times do we need to go over this before you get it! Let's not see this kind of thing again:naughty:

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Sorry Mike, I lost my head for a minute!


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Kevin

Boogernose, you have all seven editions. Didnt help you any!

I'm missing 2&3. :(

No matter what you say, I'm impressed with your two big wins this year. :notworthy Again; Congratulations.

That entitles you to write a book. Perhaps a "Pop-Up".

Questions/Queries above . . . Thanks for the response . . . interesting discussion. Not sure I'm on board but good stuff to hash out.

Bucket - I'm talking mechanical machine re: ideals.

The whole confusion of both golf and G.O.L.F.'s application is where the human machine gets involved.

If there is one area I would have loved to have learned more of re: Homer's views, it is how the human machine relates to what he has described in the book.

there is geometry, there is physics, and there is anatomy

It doesn no good to look at a golf motion without considering all three.

As far as the questions in your post, yes I am assuming a primary lever, and to whatever extent reasonable, fair to say that my initial comments re: ideals are likely more applicable to a hitter than a swinger, who must deal with the face rotation and its 'physical' relation to plane more than a hitter would.
as far as 45 degrees - to the ground (again, mechanically speaking, for margin of error in both distance and accuracy)

I'm curious if anyone has any data looking at what angle the right forearm is to the ground at impact on average for the top players? Any key differences for accurate players vs. powerful ones?

A Body of Work
 

Ed, you sound like you could be a salesman for the New Biomechanical Integration Approach recently introduced by TGM Home Office and GSEM Matthew Rosman . Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Hadn't heard of that, interesting.

Ah speaking of Pops. Being an old hockey player I normally pull the guys sweater over his face and then pop him. Its much easier for him that way, he doesnt have to watch. Next time we have dinner please wear you Black Hawks sweater. Jeff will help out too, i bet. Those Sabers fans like a good scrap. Old time hockey, eh.

When you begin to write your Golf Book, just remember that the Holes start on the Merry-go-round Hole and end on the Windmill Hole.

Pictured Below is the 7th at "Canuckistan Links" Golf Course.

Sox fan.......

Anybody got an answer for Slices question in post #47?

I would argue #2 plays a big role here as well due to more obtuse (?) #3 angle . ..

I would say it is basically a trade off between mass and speed.

With more #4 and a flatter plane, you have more speed, less mass. With more #2 and a steeper plane, you have more mass, less speed.

I would have thought that being on the TSP allows a Swinger in particular or any Drag Loader with a quick turn in transition to load #4 hard and still have the Pressure Points travel the TSP via the On Plane move of the Right Shoulder in Startdown. Kinetic Link or Pivot Chain working but with On Plane motion.

I see Homers insights on the TSP as being a resolution to the roundhousing, off plane move associated with the Pivot initiating the Startdown otherwise. To say nothing of right elbow , hip conflict which he also resolves via a Hip Slide with a Delayed Hip Turn.

So to answer Slices question , the TSP is not solely a Hitters (those who fire #1) deal. All golfers need proper sequencing in Startdown and need to resolve any Plane or Deliver Path conflicts associated there with. These are some of Homers most practical insights. Still largely unknown despite it being in print since 1969 (assuming this was covered in the first edition which i dont have).

Geez, great post O.B. I take back what I said about the "Pop-up" book.:laughing9

I would only add that the #4 is Loaded as it crosses the Chest (becomes out of line).

Here are two videos off of a top secret underground TGM site for the cogniscenti only. LBG Gallery Free Video section.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/index.p....-Hitting.html

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/index.p...mp-Wedges.html


When ever this guru master turns DTL to the camera and runs his shoulder down the dowel aimed at the plane line, that is a TSP angle and an On Plane Shoulder Turn. But lets keep this a secret for another 40 years or so.

I would agree on #2. if acc1 is firing down and somewhat out to get on the tsp, its close to lagging the hands, creating more #2 angle. But I have to question the #3 angle. Obtuse might be an understatement if impact is on the tsp. #3 angle would be non existant, no?

Thanks for the vids OB - I'm going to watch now.

#3 Angle , the Angle formed by the left arm and clubshaft, "roll power", can be zeroed only by gripping the club along the life line in the left palm. Something we do to deaden the send associated with any left forearm roll when putting or for some when chipping. With a "normal" left hand grip going to fully uncocked approaches zero angle but doesnt ever reach it.

Startdown is on the TSP, Impact is on the Elbow Plane. The closer these two plane Angles are to each other the less "The Plane" is required to Shift Angle wise. Thats a good thing. The Elbow Plane is essentially the Shaft Plane when the Right Forearm lies on it. The TSP Angle varies with the type of Shoulder Turn employed in Backstroke, length of club etc. Getting the Power Package on the TSP you have chosen at Top precludes the need to drop the Hands from a higher plane onto the TSP prior to initiating an On Plane Downstroke. This is a good thing, as all plane shifts are hazardous, (though some are inevitable from Top to Impact for full power strokes, not putting, chipping etc)