He didn't say it in a book . . .

But think about it . . . if you are Hitting you are PUSHING so you have to have the right forearm in line to support what you are pushing. When you Swing you are pulling so it's much more dependent on Pivot than Triceps. Not saying that having the Forearm off plane is the best way . . . just that you can. CF doesn't care where your forearm is . . . .

Back in August I said I gave my students the choice between hitting and swinging when learning basic motion.

Most chose hitting....and I wondered why? Most, being right handed, felt more control as they use this hand for many other things in life (don't go there bucket).

I'm now finding that impact alignments, tracing the plane line, extensor action and lag pressure point pressure are learned easier when hitting during basic motion. Impact bag results also kind of prove it.

By educating the right hand first there is the tendency of less flipping when moving to the next step of acquired motion. At this stage is when I introduce the differences to give them the choice.

I've been finding that turn, uncock and roll is generally harder to learn than drive loading. Also, once the right hand is educated it is much easier to educate the left.

So, with a beginning golfer I now say that hitting is the easier path when using basic motion unless there is a medical problem that would warrant learning swinging first.

However, when working with non beginners I look for their natural tendency and go from there.

And thanks to you guys I can now teach both. Thanks and Happy New Year!!!

I won't go "there" . . . this time . . . but your post is an astute one . . .

I can only say thanks again to you guys who have helped me so much!

Btw, what is Aloha Mr. Hand about? Haven't lived in the States for 32 years....out of the loop.

Fast Times At Ridgemont High . . . a classic movie . . . rent it and you'll understand . . . .

Great post.
Which to learn first? Hitting or swinging?
I think the standard answer is both. You won’t fully understand one without the other.

The #3 pressure point directly opposed to the primary lever assembly vs. #3 pressure point directly opposed to the secondary lever assembly. Standard wrist action takeaway vs. Single wrist action takeaway? Differing elbow locations? How could you know one without knowing the other.

Horizontal vs. Angled Hinging. How can one fully understand sequenced release vs. simultaneous release without understanding both?

Both, hitting and swinging have a pulling feel at startdown.

You start by Switting. Your first swing is a mixture of both. And many more swings after that one. To know each component, you need to know their differences. To know compatibility of components, one must understand why component combinations are incompatible. Cause-effect.

I have been Swinging on Acquired and Full motion, and Hitting on short strokes and putting. A great combination.

Ying and Yang.

Voice of Authority
 

You've learned your lessons well, Daryl. Thank you for sharing with others the fruits of your labor.

i'm starting to think homer was omniscient !
 

yoda knows that the genius of the hitting technique allows for the fundamental impulse of steering and hitting at the ball to be harnessed into an uncompensated golf stroke. "steering" the clubhead STRAIGHT on the angle of approach and by the right forearm and "hitting" by the right tricep pushing through impact make this possible.

since most right-handed golfers are right-handed and the function of the right forearm is the second secret of golf (it regulates clubshaft control directly and cluhead control indirectly) the steering and hitting impulse allows for these geometrical controls along with powering the stroke all by the right arm.

what a genius you are homer kelley !!!! how could only one person write that book and not an entire team of geniuses ?

wait, before i go on gushing over homer , he could be crticized ((he seems to be under fire a lot these days by the "objective truth"seekers( i don't think they would find this phrase redundant since they are so committed to the truth )) for not having found a way to control the clubface from the right side.
but i ask you; should homer kelley be criticized for the golfer having two arms and two wrists ?

happy new year everyone,
your comrade in arms

p.s. yoda, if you do not kick me off the site after three posts i would like to thank you , as this happened to me recently on a teaching pro fansite. is that a record?

Good stuff!:eyes:

I believe Homer felt that, when he was teaching, he would go with the person's natural tendencies. I also think he felt that most people would have a natural inclination to swinging - that most people could feel/manipulate centrifugal force, but, that hitting was easier.

Not sure if this helps or not.....

Patrick