I think DG's tantrum was a reslut of some of your weak efforts . . .

Now that was funny :laughing1

Although I think you had a freudian slip - doesn't surprise me given your psychological issues. However, since we've broken off our relationship I find all the name calling very hurtful:crybaby:

That was a purposeful typo . . . stank you very much.

LIA learn who Tomasello is and use his pattern.

Hi Lia,

I would say this - do you use centrifugal force? Or do you try to drive the cluhead?

Therein might lie the answer.

Bucket, what if I'm pulling with my body and pushing (somewhat unconsiously) with my right arm about halfway down?

According to some you are just trying to get the handle in the right location . . . Do what works.

:eyes:

I guess if it was that simple then we can eliminate most of the discussion on this forum!

Would you say most people push and pull with their full swings regardless of feel?

Hard to say what most people do . . . I'd say that most people probably do. But how could you ever measure it? Even Ted who is a carnivorous Hitter has a Swinger's start down by admission I think.

Do you think the club and ball knows if you pushed it, pulled it, or did both?

I get the feeling that with this line of questioning somebody may be trying to get me to paint myself into a corner. But I don't really have no corner. I think there are certainly forces that act upon the shaft in certain directions. I don't know much about all that but I would say that the force acting on the shaft that has the sweetspot in line is different than one that ain't.

Why don't you tell me what you think? I probably would agree with you.

The ball knows everything about the clubhead (speed, angle of attack, etc.) during impact, but it has no idea how it got there.

Measure right arm activity?
Measure the forces on the club at start down?

I agree with your comment about Ted. But he really does feel like he's using his right arm and not "spinning the flywheel". Does that make him more of a Hitter than someone who do not experience these feels?

I reckon (but have no data unfortunately) a lot of tour players out there who would be classified as Swingers actually have a lot of right arm activity during their downstroke. Whether they are consious about it or not is another thing.