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O.B.Left 02-27-2009 11:52 AM

Calling all TGM shotmakers
 
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When Trevino is hitting these approach shots he would appear to hold off his finish swivel back onto the plane. An apparent off plane move where neither end of the club is pointing at the plane line (albeit only at this point in the swing long after the ball is gone, having traced the plane all the way to the horizon line) All good golfers do this at times. Tiger, Hogan etc.

What should we TGM adherents make of this? Is this a "Special Procedure" at the expense of the plane line? Angled Hinging with an intentional under swivel? What is gained and what is ventured? Is it worth it? When and why do you do it?

ob

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KevCarter 02-27-2009 11:58 AM

Hmmmm
 
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 61606)
When Trevino is hitting these approach shots he would appear to hold off his finish swivel back onto the plane. An apparent off plane move where neither end of the club is pointing at the plane line. All good golfers do this at times. Tiger, Hogan etc.

What should we TGM adherents make of this? Is this a "Special Procedure" at the expense of the plane line? Angled Hinging with an intentional under swivel? What is gained and what is ventured? Is it worth it? When and why do you do it?

ob

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Compensation, insurance against the hook? I wonder why this would be needed if the club shaft is on plane with proper hinge action?

Another interesting question O.B.!

Kevin

O.B.Left 02-27-2009 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 61608)
Compensation, insurance against the hook? I wonder why this would be needed if the club shaft is on plane with proper hinge action?

Another interesting question O.B.!

Kevin



Ah Kev. I can spot a "playa" when I read one. You aint getting any strokes off of me ever. EVER. EEEH VER.

I know when I started to do the hold offs.......when I started recognizing a pull tendency when I put the ball well back in my stance for a low shot. But now, thanks be to Yoda (tbtY) I know why that was happening and know the PROPER correction to make.

With the ball well back of low point there is more OUT and down to be had through the ball. A cross line angle of attack needed for the straight shot. A pull resulting from a square clubhead path through the ball. So hit out when the ball is back in the stance. The hold off was not effective for me in that situation. Now I know why.

But what is going on with these other hold off shotmaking artists? They must have good reason.

ob

Yoda 02-27-2009 08:37 PM

Trevino's Acquired Motion Cut Shot
 
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 61621)

But what is going on with these other hold off shotmaking artists? They must have good reason.

Lee Trevino is simply executing a Cut Shot using Aquired Motion.

A Cut Shot -- by definition -- is any shot utilizing Vertical Hinge Action through Impact (2-C-3; 2-G and 10-10-E). This means a 'No Roll' of the Clubface (Square / Layback Only) and a 'Reverse Roll' Feel in the Hands. Lee Turns his Left Hand to Plane in the Grip, a procedure "very compatible with Cut Shots" (10-2-D), and this makes it easy to stay 'Left Palm down to the ground' in the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight Position / 8-11).

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=123574952 8

In the posted photo, Lee's Thrust has been Downplane to the end of the Follow-Through and only Momentum carries him to his subconsciously pre-determined Acquired Motion Finish (Right Forearm level to the ground / 12-5-2).

Hogan and Woods are doing essentially the same thing, but with different Grips and a more full Finish. Note the Clubface Layback in both photos.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=123574952 8

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:salut:

O.B.Left 02-28-2009 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 61624)
Lee Trevino is simply executing a Cut Shot using Aquired Motion.

A Cut Shot -- by definition -- is any shot utilizing Vertical Hinge Action through Impact (2-C-3; 2-G and 10-10-E). This means a 'No Roll' of the Clubface (Square / Layback Only) and a 'Reverse Roll' Feel in the Hands. Lee Turns his Left Hand to Plane in the Grip, a procedure "very compatible with Cut Shots" (10-2-D), and this makes it easy to stay 'Left Palm down to the ground' in the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight Position / 8-11).

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=123574952 8

In the posted photo, Lee's Thrust has been Downplane to the end of the Follow-Through and only Momentum carries him to his pre-determined Acquired Motion Finish (Right Forearm level to the ground / 12-5-2).

Hogan and Woods are doing essentially the same thing, but with different Grips and a more full Finish. Note the Clubface Layback in both photos.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=123574952 8

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=123574952 8

:salut:




Thanks Yoda. Only TGM could be so descriptive.

ob

12 piece bucket 03-09-2009 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 61624)
Lee Trevino is simply executing a Cut Shot using Aquired Motion.

A Cut Shot -- by definition -- is any shot utilizing Vertical Hinge Action through Impact (2-C-3; 2-G and 10-10-E). This means a 'No Roll' of the Clubface (Square / Layback Only) and a 'Reverse Roll' Feel in the Hands. Lee Turns his Left Hand to Plane in the Grip, a procedure "very compatible with Cut Shots" (10-2-D), and this makes it easy to stay 'Left Palm down to the ground' in the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight Position / 8-11).

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=123574952 8

In the posted photo, Lee's Thrust has been Downplane to the end of the Follow-Through and only Momentum carries him to his subconsciously pre-determined Acquired Motion Finish (Right Forearm level to the ground / 12-5-2).

Hogan and Woods are doing essentially the same thing, but with different Grips and a more full Finish. Note the Clubface Layback in both photos.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=123574952 8

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=123574952 8

:salut:

Yep . . . . with that Trevino grip . . . . better not roll until the ball is well on its way.


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