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innercityteacher 01-03-2011 03:56 PM

OK, so I'm asking.
 
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Originally Posted by gmbtempe (Post 80907)
Well now I don't feel so bad about being under plane with shoulders closed with not much of a divot.

Is SS an Elbow Plane guy? Is the Plane determined by the # 3 PP location as it travels? Would that then make hip an almost TSP ?


ICT

gmbtempe 01-03-2011 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 80912)
Is SS an Elbow Plane guy?


ICT

sure looks that way to me

BerntR 01-03-2011 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 80905)
But when I hold a pencil up to where Luke drew the plane line in this picture below I see the dots on the far side, post impact, emerging above the plane line but seemingly way closer to the plane line. If you know what I mean. Anyways Im thinking it could be perspective, illusionary. What do you think?

I see the same as you. He seems to be on the plane that Mr Skywalker drew after impact and inside before. I can't understand how this is possible withoug some plane bending going on.

innercityteacher 01-03-2011 04:04 PM

Thanks GMBtempe.
 
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Originally Posted by gmbtempe (Post 80913)
sure looks that way to me

Are you measuring the travel of his # 3 PP?


ICT

gmbtempe 01-03-2011 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 80912)
Is SS an Elbow Plane guy? Is the Plane determined by the # 3 PP location as it travels? Would that then make hip an almost TSP ?


ICT

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 80915)
Are you measuring the travel of his # 3 PP?


ICT


I just look at impact. Nicklaus came down the TSP but at the very end made a shift to an elbow plane impact.

Yoda 01-03-2011 06:17 PM

Elbow Room
 
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Originally Posted by gmbtempe (Post 80921)

I just look at impact. Nicklaus came down the TSP but at the very end made a shift to an elbow plane impact.

But remember, guys, the Elbow Plane is not an absolute. Some Angles are steeper than others, especially through Impact (versus Address).

These steeper-than-normal Elbow Planes can approach the TSP Angle and, in fact, remain on it. In which case, there has been Zero Shift from the Top. One example is Brian Gay.

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O.B.Left 01-03-2011 07:27 PM

getting it right.......
 
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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 80928)
But remember, guys, the Elbow Plane is not an absolute. Some Angles are steeper than others, especially through Impact (versus Address).

These steeper-than-normal Elbow Planes can approach the TSP Angle and, in fact, remain on it. In which case, there has been Zero Shift from the Top. One example is Brian Gay.

:golfcart2:

Thanks for this Yoda Ive been wondering about that one. The later editions definition of Elbow Plane got me mixed up.

How bout the TSP is it a range of angles too?

Would I be correct in thinking that though a Rotated Shoulder turn "can locate a TSP angle" its unlikely to be able to locate a TSP angle that is also an Elbow Plane angle? Is this one of the reasons for your preference for "Flat back", Standard Shoulder Turn?

I know this is slightly off topic but ..........since we're talking all around this lingering question of mine.

chipingguru 01-03-2011 08:04 PM

Anybody got any good photos of jack shifting to the elbow plane?

(or tsp/elbow plane, whichever one he was on - or maybe both)

Does Phils TSP get close to elbow plane to?

innercityteacher 01-03-2011 11:01 PM

Follow the thread below CG.
 
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Originally Posted by chipingguru (Post 80937)
Anybody got any good photos of jack shifting to the elbow plane?

(or tsp/elbow plane, whichever one he was on - or maybe both)

Does Phils TSP get close to elbow plane to?

You can have several movies to examine!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread7215-39.html #'s 381-383


Thanks so much GMBTempe, Yoda, OB, the Academy! Angle at Impact! How simple, elegant, bio-mechanically logical and congruent. Awesome and satisfying like Dean Koontz or Tom Clancy or the 12 step program! :)

I have to break out the Brian Gay Premium videos I have!

ICT.

mb6606 01-03-2011 11:09 PM

Another video from the same spot. Kuchar was arguably the best ball striker on tour last - impact is about as square/square as it gets. The back swing is unusual but the downswing is great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMjQU...eature=related


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