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Edz,

Thats what I thought too.. the answer is not as simple as that.

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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 43289)

Naw dude . . . you are way farther away. I think you are mistaking float loading for true cf swinging. I promise you there is no right arm participation in Jeffy or Lynnie's stroke . . . other than stretching the left arm. . . that's it.

Remember McHatton is more from the Doyle school of thought . . . Doyle strives for the Maximum Participation pattern in the 3rd Edition. An ACTIVE Right Arm.

It may look like Yodalishush and JH are doing that but they ain't. You are just seeing more structure and less float . . . that's it . . . right arm is moved but not active . . . it is a left wrist throw. You can call it hitting with a pitch elbow . . . but you'd be wrong.

Not trying to dawg you out or anything . . . but are off the reservation on this one.

I do not think that Greg McHatton has an active right arm. Whilst he is obviously close to Ben Doyle, he does not describe a active accumulator 1 motion on his videos. He does a drill where he swings the club into the side of a steep hill - when he does it right the clubhead bounces back off the hill because there is nothing in his right hand to drive it forwards... the clubhead hits an immoveable object and has no active force driving it forwards... Greg is all CF.

Ben Doyle does describe 4 barrels though...

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Originally Posted by golfbulldog (Post 43308)

I agree completely with golfbulldog. McHatton has about as much right arm bend at impact as Hogan. That seems to indicate it is not active.

Also , its is written 7-3 that it is mandatory for swinging and hitting ,not only hands or shaft the right forearm must be driven or thrown into impact. He did not say for HITTING must be driven or swinging must be thrown. I guess it is a choice.

I also think, the way the right forearm is aligned for swinging, it pulls the left arm like a piece of string and support the secondary . That type of assembly allows for CF throwout. Adding a Drive in that assembly is perfectly acceptable, regardless of swinging or hitting , as explained by TT.

So we got 2 ways . and still being able to do a 4 Barrell swing since the right is actively driving . Though Homer used to say there is no 4 barrel swing.. BUT IMHO, at that context of time he feel he need to explain that way or think there isn't one.

FOR a HIT, the left arm is a wall, and the right forearm is actively driving via primary assembly , there is less CF throwout. Notice i say less.

Because Anyhow, the left can only pull, the right can only push. Pull causes throwout, push is drive.

Let me know what you think, Thank you

The left can push (in "hitting") and the right can pull (in "swinging"), as well.

I am a Pushover.

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Originally Posted by bts (Post 43319)

The left can push (in "hitting").

:question:

As far as I can tell only the Right Arm and Shoulder are in a position to Push.

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Originally Posted by drewitgolf (Post 43323)

:question:

As far as I can tell only the Right Arm and Shoulder are in a position to Push.

Agree. And the left arm ain't a wall, either

I think a lot of you are "Seems to be-ing" in this thread.

I bought Homer's first book and all the subsequent ones also. I took a lesson from him and Ben Doyle in 1969 in Seattle. Later had lunch with Homer from about about 1974 until he died. Below is how he really felt. He expected his students to take his work to another level.

****1-H "Because of questions of all kinds, reams of additional detail must be made available - but separately, and probably endlessly." Homer Kelly ****

Please open the attached URL:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8h7GJa-YY

This is a 5-barrel stroke with pp#5. Is it a swing or a hit?

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Originally Posted by xyzgolfAZ (Post 43336)

This is a 5-barrel stroke with pp#5. Is it a swing or a hit?

Good one xyz! :laughing9

Wish I would have started that young.
Looks like the boy had some targets to shoot at as well!

When you have some time, share some Homer with us. :)

P.S. I fixed your link.

That's great! Sounds like Moe Norman- has a better swing than me and hits it further than Bucket!