I think it's a golf problem. I think that he's gotten so much bad advise, he doesn't know what to do (he's taught positions, not alignments). We've seen worse than him get better. Unfortunately, Hank thinks that if someone does something a thousand times, he'll learn something new and teach himself the Golf Swing. Barkley is not Ben Hogan and even Ben had the advice of 100 other Pro's. Hitting a thousand balls isn't practice.

One of the Problems with Golf Instruction is that Teachers have about a dozen tricks up their sleeve. If one teachers tricks don't work, then find another teacher with another set of tricks.

personnaly, he worked so much on the full swing, i wonder if he would've started and the baby stage, putting and chipping, then work on pitch, maybe there would be no whacky spasm stuff once pitch was done with...

who knows, what do i know!

Yes. I think that you are 100% correct. Baby stage. Basic, Aquired then Full Stroke. The Basic motion is a part of the Full Stroke, so break it down and teach in sections.

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CB has the full-swing yips. As one who has encountered a similar problem in the simple putt, I understand (as few do).

At LynnBlakeGolf, we teach MOTION. Motion learned MECHANICALLY; aligned GEOMETRICALLY; and performed (ultimately) SUBCONSCIOUSLY. [For the record, these lines are copyrighted.]

I watched only a handful of minutes of the CB / TGC experience. Knowing the pain being experienced, I could not watch any more. I know I could help -- in ways left unexplored -- but that opportunity did not come my way.

The Yips are a terrible thing.

And their origin must be understood before they can be overcome.

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Why can't I find anyone who sets up on the turned shoulder plane
per 10-6-b #1???? The benefits would be a shiftless swing.

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Photo 10-6-B #1 requires a "steeper-than-normal Elbow Plane" (7-23 / 6th edition) with a "reaching out of the arms" and a Left Hand Grip in the cup of the hand (instead of the normal under-the-heel of the hand). Or, an Uncocked (versus Level) Left Wrist. All of which borders on the "ungolf-like" (3-F-6).

All this can work well for the short shots and their steeper Planes. But, for the longer Strokes, a more normal On-Elbow-Plane Right Forearm at Address and the natural progression to the Turned Shoulder Plane in the Backstroke (Single Shift / 10-7-B) is more natural.

Stand in a Plane Board set to a Turned Shoulder Plane, and you will instantly understand.

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Yes I have stood in the plane board and although it does feel somewhat awkward one could certainly get used to it. I wonder if the turned shoulder plane has more to do with clubs. Most would need more upright lie angles for the TSP. Are most club lie angles desinged for the elbow plane??

Clubs can accommodate any Plane Angle Between the Elbow and the Upper Limits of the Turned Shoulder. IMHO, they have been more suitably designed for the Turned Shoulder Plane Angles.

Keep in Mind that the Turned Shoulder Plane Angle varies per Club. The Elbow Plane does not. Overall the Plane Angles vary by only a few inches but it's the Alignments that are critical.

Therefore, your Driver Plane Angle will LOOK closer to an Elbow Plane and your Lob Wedge to a Square Shoulder Plane. (Actually, not that radical)

The ONLY best and insured way of having a reasonable Set-Up Routine and use the Turned Shoulder Plane for each Club in the Bag, is by adopting the Right Forearm Take-away as your Start-up Procedure. This Procedure immediately and unfailingly establishes the Turned Shoulder Plane.

The Right Forearm Take-away adjusts for each Plane angle by using your-distance-from-the-Ball to establish the Plane Angle. Keep in Mind that The Right Wrist is Level at Address, which is an Alignment, which means that the Longer the Clubshaft, the farther out from your Body your hands are at address. And REMEMBER, the Right Wrist is Flat and Level at Standard Address. Which makes it childs play to have an On-Plane right forearm at address.

The On-Plane Right Forearm at Address is on the same Plane as the Clubshaft at address. This is not the Turned Shoulder Plane, however this alignment (distance from the ball with this Alignment) establishes and FORCES the "Magic of the Right Forearm" (with Extensor Action) to the Turned Shoulder's precise Plane Angle to use when tracing the Base Line of the Inclined Plane.

So, as your near the end of the Start-up Fanning procedure, each Club in your Bag will MEASURE a slightly different distance above ground when your Club first reaches parallel to the ground and parallel to the Plane-Line at the end of your Start-up. Shorter Clubs align Parallel to the ground and Parallel to the Base Line of the Inclined Plane Lower to the Ground. AND, it is this precise Alignment that establishes the CORRECT degree of Right Wrist Bend for each different club. The Shorter the Clubshaft the more bend because the Right Elbow Location is closer to the Body (below the right shoulder) and thus the Right Forearm is more vertical. The Driver has a WIDER Fan than a Wedge. The Longer the Club, the more left Wrist Bend at the Top of the Swing because there is less Right Wrist Bend. Learn this or else swing every club with the same degree of right wrist bend; clubshaft lean.

A 20 foot long Golf Club is not beyond the limit of a Turned Shoulder Plane, however it will look lower than the Elbow Plane and its Fan is three feet wide. Remember that the Right Shoulder (After a Flat Backstroke Shoulder Turn)is a Reference point for the Plane Angle but it does not define the plane.

Using any other Procedure introduces too many obstacles that all can't be overcome. Too many to go into detail in this post. It's futile to Start a Swing with the Left Arm on the same Plane as the Right Forearm. Unless YOUR NAME IS MOE.

This system need to be learned from someone very knowledgeable with a trained eye. If you were that knowledgeable, you could do quite well with benches, string, mirrors and video.

Thanks Daryl - you are a fountain of information!

Lady in "Red"?

BTW, side track a bit...what did Momoko Ueda do with the right forearm here:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stTqbnCEQgI&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AebKT...eature=related