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Wow, I did misinterpret the Aiming Point Concept!

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Secondly, the pressure felt at PP#3 is the direct substitute for the lagging sweetspot, which is used to hit the direct substitute for the ball, the Aiming Point. HK is very clear on how to use Aiming Point on p83: "At the top of the Backstroke--even at the End(10-21-C)--mentally construct a line from the #3 Pressure Point to the Aiming Point. Let a careful Downstroke direct the pressure precisely along this line. Hitting or Swinging, direct the #3 Pressure Point strongly downward..." You do not manipulate the hand path to visually continue toward the Aiming Point down that mentally constructed straight line, but direct it with the pivot or right triceps from the top, in the direction indicated by that straight line, as if the pressure in PP#3 were free to move directly down that line, and then let the hands go wherever the thrust force takes them, mindful of tracing the Plane Line with PP#3. The later the release of #2, the straighter the hand path will be.

Now, if I understand this correctly, Instead of a laboriously slow drag of PP # 3 to the Aiming Point (powerful but only to a point since I am controlling the beast), I figure out the spoke or straight line from the AP and explode at it or DOWN the Line or Spoke, letting everything "all hang out."

WOOO HOOO! Thanks guys!

We don't have to assume that the aiming point is always in front of the ball.....In my motion I actually feel like the aiming point on the plane line is about 2 feet BACK of the ball...hands/club seeking out the ground and pivot seeking out the target ... if your left shoulder doesn't move at all from the top the hands/club will crash the ground WELL behind the ball...pivot can bring the hands forward in order to get low point in the correct spot for the shot at hand....

I don't see how the hands can be moving down at impact...they could feel that way...but how could they if we assume rhythm? Assuming the same rpm would they not have to be moving up?

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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 91539)

I thought this might confirm some of the things observed here. I have learned a lot and enjoy the polite exchange. :)

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=56251&highlight=right+shoulder#po st56251

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Once you've determined your Fix alignments, the Aiming Point (6-E-2)replaces the Ball. You now direct the Lag Loading (7-19) of the #3 PressurePoint at the Aiming Point as if it were the Ball. This Aiming Pointcan only be determined by experience (Practice!) only. And you will need tolearn how to direct your Thrust precisely at that point once you've learnedwhere it is.

The way to do that is explained in 6-E-2-1. At the Top, you mentally constructa line from the first joint of your Right Forefinger (#3 Pressure Point /6-C-1-3) to the Aiming Point. This becomes your Delivery Path (10-23-A or10-23-C). Practicing in slow motion -- first without a Club; then with a Clubbut no Ball -- you let a careful Downstroke Pivot (On-Plane Right Shoulder /10-13-D) deliver the Lag Pressure Loading (7-19) strongly down the StraightLine Delivery Path (of the Hands). In real time, the Club is driven stronglydownward, smashing through the Ball, through the Aiming Pointto the Low Point to the Both Arms Straight Position(Follow-Through / 8-11) from which you Swivel into your Finish.

The big idea -- if you haven't noticed! -- is "Down." StraightDown through the Aiming Point. Straight Down to the LowPoint of the Stroke. Only then, per 1-L 13/14/15, does the Club begin theUpward portion of its Orbit, and even then the Thrust continues Down Planeuntil the end of the Follow-Through (8-11).

Homer told me one time that very few golfers actually go all the way down.Almost all reach the Ball and begin their upward Motion before the LowPoint is reached. "Even Tour players," he said.

"They almost all come up, and I'm really kind of surprised when I seethem still take a divot."

I asked him for the name of a player who did go all the way down.

"Trevino," he said with a lowered voice and a growl.

"I like that guy. He hits a wedge, and you've got to help himget the club out of the ground!"

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Thanks you guys! Until reading these posts, I didn't realize that the right shoulder can be fired at the Aiming Point whether Hitting or Swining or 4 Barreling !____I struggled with Geometry in school...acne....the heartbreak of Psoriasis...my goldfish died...once! :laughing9

A related question for me is the Greg McHatton's emphasis on "longitudinal acceleration." Does driving the Right/Back Shoulder to the Aiming Point provide the right "longitudinal acceleration" of the #3 PP? I would guess it does but if this should be further researched elsewhere, just say so.

ICT

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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 91539)

We don't have to assume that the aiming point is always in front of the ball...

I don't see how the hands can be moving down at impact...they could feel that way...but how could they if we assume rhythm? Assuming the same rpm would they not have to be moving up?

Right, as I said above, it can be behind the ball also, but on the Plane Line.

The hands can be moving down at Impact, but the club head will have been thrown away, unless, like Trevino, the ball is played in the center of the stance, and then before taking the club back, the feet are moved toward the target(the Trevino Two Step), locating the ball off the right foot. :eyes:

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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe (Post 91555)

At risk of looking "nit-picky"....plane line OR DELIVERY LINE ...if you are using one of the alternate Delivery Line procedures...of course those being derived from the original Plane Line...

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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 91557)

At risk of looking "nit-picky"....plane line OR DELIVERY LINE ...if you are using one of the alternate Delivery Line procedures...of course those being derived from the original Plane Line...

Agreed, along the Arc or Angle of Approach .... visually from the players perspective . Along the path of the club head blur so to speak . Or, along the club head path as seen in 3d space..... meaning the Aiming Point is not on the plane line except for balls played at low point.

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Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 91436)

Thrust effort and where PP#3 would move are two separate things - to clarify - even from the top PP#3 doesn't move towards the aiming point - due to shoulders uncoil etc.

This is where it gets interesting eh Mike? The straight line thrust vs the true path of the #3.

If you throw a stone from top at the ball or aiming point, (passively or actively if you will) does that mean the #3pp travels a straight line towards same target?

Id say no (like you offer above) but I do think the intention to do so must straighten out the hand path somewhat. Presenting a different set of physics distinct from Tracing. One that could lend itself to Longitudinal Acceleration , Drag Loading , Delayed Release , smaller Pulley Wheel etc etc etc.....Or a hitters cross line thrust given the direction of thrust towards the aiming point.

Intentions vs real??? Is the Aiming Point an Intention or an effort as you say, only? Im fine with that if it is. A pitchers hand doesn't travel a straight line to the catchers mitt. Is he thinking about the curved path of his hand? Doubt it. I dunno.

What d'ya think?

In The Beginning..

Going back to the original thesis of this thread.
If a single plane, with or without the aiming point concept, is used. And, this plane is well above the elbow plane. Does the same problem occur? If not why not?

hb

Questions

-Is the Aiming Point Procedure limited to shots where the butt end of the club points at the plane line? Isn't putting for example , a Tracing deal only? Does this suggest a graduation from Tracing to Aiming Point as the swing lengthens assuming you do want to use the Aiming Point Procedure?

-Can you employ the Aiming Point Procedure and the Visual Equivalents (club head blur method of monitoring on plane club head travel) at the same time? Both Visual Equivalents or just the straight line blur Angle of Approach Procedure? Can you throw cross line at the Aiming Point while visually monitoring the curved on plane Arc of Approach ?

Thinking From This