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I know we're getting way off the plane of this thread , so to speak, but City since you are feeling the magic of "sustaining the lag":

Have you tried it whilst putting?

If lag is the secret to golf , it must apply there too right? Crenshaw was the ultimate at this I think. You could see it in his stroke. Remember though , its Lag Pressure. Lag Pressure. Lag PRESSURE. Its not an angle or anything, you cant measure it in degrees , its pounds pre square inch on the #3 which you seek to sustain. The more distance you need to negotiate, the more Lag Pressure you dial in and then sustain. It goes nicely with Tracing when putting I find.

Throwaway is devastating to your putting but less obvious or apparent than elsewhere in your game. But when you sustain the lag , the ball rolls like a field mouse trying to find its hole. Like the "ball had eye's" as they say.

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 75410)

...THE LAG PRESSURE!!!!

Thanks OB, Daryl, everyone. I have learned even more, today, about the sweet momentum, the lag, which is dormant in each club. If I may, I would liken each club to being like Sleeping Beauty, who was coaxed from sleep to passion by the gentle touch of her prince. (GET AWAY FROM THE CIALIS, DARYL!)

What am I speaking about?

Yoda, 1969, Two Plane Lines One Feel:"However, G.O.L.F. being the precision system that it is, Homer was then compelled to drill down a little deeper, and in 2-F he states that The Golfing Machine application for the #3 Pressure Point, the Plane Angle, and its Plane Line always refers to the Center of Gravity application (the Sweet Spot). This was his way of resolving the rather incongruous fact that there really are two different Inclined Planes of Motion (that of the Club shaft and that of the Sweet Spot) and yet they are both controlled by the #3 Pressure Point tracing only one baseline, namely that of the orbiting Sweet Spot.

The club is an instrument with a soul, like a fine musical instrument. It is not activated until it is touched by a person with sensitivity to the needs and wants of the club's design.

The club does not cooperate unless it is on its inclined plane. It wants structure and stability before yielding it's sweetest prize of power and flowing, smooth precision. It comes alive as a person's # 3 PP gently restrains it's upswing momentum. But it is then fully alive only with the cooperation and timing of the Pivot and the smooth thrust of # 3 PP.

The reason the one #3 Pressure Point can control both Planes of Motion while Tracing only one Plane Line (that of the Sweet Spot)can be found in 5-0. The Hands executing the Third Imperative -- via the Right Forearm and #3 Pressure Point Tracing -- automatically dictate total Component compliance with the Delivery Line (Sweet Spot Plane Line) requirements.And that includes the Club shaft. This means that when the Sweet Spot Traces its Plane Line through Impact, then the Club shaft automatically will be Tracing its own Club shaft Plane Line as well.

The golfer who swings feels the resting of the shaft at TOP and the hitter feels it at END. That rapturous feeling tells the golfer with skilled or educated hands that the countdown to release has begun and that only a smooth pivot and measured right forearm thrust via #3 PP will provide the hands the chance to direct the club shaft as it wishes to move through the ball down, out and forward along the inclined plane. The lag pressure never quits. The lag is the rail of light. The lag is the golf stroke.

The problem is that the lag is invisible and is felt on # 3 PP most directly. But I can show it to you, or rather Moe Norman could and did: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGAaO0xWd98

The Player's solution to all this "drawing board" stuff is simply to return to his original primary concern; namely, the Hands and their Club head Lag, Flat Left Wrist and Plane Line (6-G-0). Then, driving the Hands -- not the club! -- toward the Ball (Delivery Path 10-23-0), and using the #3 Lag Pressure Point Tracing to seek out the Delivery Line (per 6-C-2-A) -- not the Ball! -- will result in the joy that is hearing the crack!!of solid Impact, feeling that flush contactradiate -- as Hogan described it, "up the Shaft, through your Hands,and into your heart" -- and seeing the Ball streak forthe Flag! .

When that happens, you will not be thinking about Plane Lines. "

The sweet spot is real, but only in motion. You must do it to see it.

The golfer takes a hold of the club as Moses took a hold of his shaft to release the snake of YHWH which would consume the smaller vipers of Pharaoh's magicians. His staff was firm and strong yet pulsating with life and power. Moses simply had to thrust his staff out,forward and down, to see the power and precision of YHWH's plan. He had to do it to see it. Faith and works, not static but dynamic.

The golfer can only really monitor # 3 PP as it contacts the shaft. The golfer must balance the Pivot with RF thrust to feel the living and heavy accelerating sweet spot. The desire to drive that sweet spot determines how all zones will react.

How did I get here? I have played almost daily in the last four weeks, ugh. I was thinking about Daryl's diagram of his effort in golfing vs mine and I got exhausted! After my mediocre performance, I went to the driving range.

I started swinging. I looked over and over. Just a little Pivot aligned my vertically cocked left wrist. So simple and easy. So powerful! Then, remembering Yoda's vertically un-cocking left wrist and how the little flywheel of the shoulder sent the club screaming into the ground, I tilted ever so slightly. The ball lept off the clubs, with precision and some power. Not enough, though.

What was missing? How could I increase the pressure on # 2 PP and # 4 PP? SLOW DOWN. FEEL THE PRESSURE BUILD. SUSTAIN THE LAG, SUSTAIN, THE LAG, SUSTAIN THE LAG!! As I felt # 4 PP load, so did # 2 and # 3. I had to move to SUSTAIN THE LAG!!!!!!!

I moved slowly and then there was only one feeling. I felt the sweet spot on # 3 PP on the shaft and it trembled for me as I moved slowly. ( I could smell her perfume... sorry :laughing1 )

Still not enough power. I thought of the Swinger's rope pull. Pivot, # 4 PP and # 2, and # 3 PP was all I knew! I felt my balance moving downhill to my shorter leg, and pulling the sweet spot (# 3 PP) faster! Glancing blow of the driver! I had the sweet spot under control and I lost it! I had to maintain the lag, sustain it! A little turn back to feel the sweet spot load and a little tilt of the Pivot to activate # 3 PP and the right elbow said, HELLO, WOULD YOU LIKE SOME HELP? :hello: :D :D

Back-swing, load # 2 and # 4 PP, down-swing, # 3 PP and back elbow with a gradual push, not the frantic thrusting I had played with before! My old Adams Redline driver flew the 250 yard marker on its way to the woods behind with a deafening, deep "thunk!" Again! Again! Again! Again! Again! Again! I had stopped looking at the ball and simply felt the sweet spot load on # 4, # 2, and # 3 PP and then pushed the aft part of the shaft at the speed of the Pivot. Slow, fast, faster.."THUNK!"

I could do it all night. Would I be able to hit with it? Slow RFT, Pivot, hello sweet-spot lag :occasion: :sunny: Pivot as fast as I could while maintaining # 3 PP against the aft part of the shaft! a little Extensor Action helped me feel the sweet spot more clearly and "Thunk"

No wonder the pros move so smoothly and with such balance! Thanks, guys!

Patrick

I have felt the sweet spot before, of course, and I've played with it on the range, but I never had the courage to slam the sweet spot into the ground.

After reading your posts about keeping pressure on the shaft, and hitting, I decided "I'll never be hungry again!" I went to the range and chipped looking for the sweetspot. It showed in the basic motion in hitting then swinging. I realized I could pivot and feel it, pull the shoulder and feel it, push my right hip and feel it and drive my elbow and feel itl I could hit half shots and full shots and balance with feeling the sweetspot was crucial.

I stopped throwing the club at the ball and started hitting it with the sweetspot and knew I would hit it well, and I did. I realized that the driver has to get a special effort from me to drive the sweet spot through the ball to the plane line below the plane.

If I'm feeling the sweetspot, the club is on plane. I forget about mechanics and try to simply carry the l lag through impact.

It was great. I have to maintain my balance all the way through to the underground plane line! It was wierd too, so see that a smaller swing could be as powerful as a big one as long as the sweet spot was used.

Thanks guys.

Cool, Patrick.
Does it seem like you are barely moving the shaft? Swing speed seems to be of little importance as long as you just drive the structure through the ball. I'm getting distance I only dreamed of.

Yes, it is extra-terrestrial, like the force or "Schwartz!"

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Originally Posted by JerryG (Post 77468)

When you say "structure" are you talking about the sweet spot and the power package which carries it?

Good mechanics help us experience the feeling of the sweet spot but then the sweet spot creates its own mechanics demanding certain bio-mechanical structures.

I think that's why Bobby Jones swung so smoothly. It gave him his greatest feel of the sweet spot. Tonight was interesting for me because I had tried both swinging and hitting to carry the sweet spot but had the most success with a very short back hip turn and then pushing the sweet spot with my slowly returning back hip completely down through the ball. It's amazing how the ball reacts when you stay balanced and dire the sweet spot through the ball! The ball becomes like butter or non-existent. It becomes a sub-atomic game of billiards.

It's amazing. Remember when I said I was simply trying to support the on-plane sweet spot it it stressed out all different parts of my body but the ball was jumping? This was that!

PMB

I have experienced this, OB.

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 75428)

I was using my Bullseye putter and thought it was due to hitting it with topspin but I lost it after five holes that day and couldn't capture it again. Now I know that it was the club resting against my # 3 PP.

One problem. I can't use EA with my # 3 PP. I can't feel the spot and pull the handle at the same time. Suggestions?

YBGF

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 77470)

One problem. I can't use EA with my # 3 PP. I can't feel the spot and pull the handle at the same time. Suggestions?

YBGF

That seems like a problem. I use EA with Putting but I do it by increasing the #3 PP and using that for engaging EA. I feel I only need to identify the "point" of pressure and guide the stroke with that. I started way back when by applying the standard EA procedure but I also couldn't feel the #3 PP either.

Sometimes, it feels like the shaft flexes.

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Originally Posted by JerryG (Post 77468)

Sometimes it feels the flex is several minutes after the ball has left! It is sooooo cool!

YBGF

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 77482)

Sometimes it feels the flex is several minutes after the ball has left! It is sooooo cool!

YBGF

It is just the best, isn't it?
Now your task is to continue putting with the blade putter and concentrate on some EA and pp#3. It is frighteningly accurate. I miss putts, but I nearly always Roll it on the line I want it to Roll.
Oh, yeah, think Roll, not Hit. Roll the ball. That awful Star Ship Enterprise putter of yours won't allow you to Roll the ball.
I think we have about 2 weeks of golf left here if we are lucky. C'mon over.

I've had some good ball striking this week -- breakthroughs, really. (Along with a couple of "what the heck was that" fat shots when I didn't start with that little hip slide and just pretty much stuck the club in the ground 2 inches behind the ball...)

First, if you don't have them -- get the DVD's!

Second, as said elsewhere, there is so much more "out" and "down" than we believe. I find that I can backslide to a sweepers style strike and then, the inevitable "flip"...bad stuff.

Third, I was standing a little too far from the ball -- an inch or so closer eliminated the toe hits and brought on that much sought after Nirvana -- compression. Like a half club to full club longer. It also eliminated the thin hits and no divots I was seeing.

Finally, the underhand pitch/tracing feeling has helped me be able to hit both irons and driver -- something I've struggled with all summer. If one was working, the other wasn't. Now, I can hit both (and usually a ton).

Thank you Yoda and everyone here on the forums. :salut:

I'm looking forward to drills when I can't play this winter so I can really see myself finally rebuilding my swing. It's been interesting playing while trying to adopt what I'm learning -- some nights I show such progress then other nights (or on the next hole), some old flaw or other has crept back in...