Posture at Address - Pics
 

Which one?



Posture is different due to many ...many variables including



Notice deviations:
Position of the Eyes & Ears
Flexion of the neck
Thoracic Curve
Lumbar Curve
Sacral angle
Plane of Arms
Deviation of the wrists - Cocked, Level, Uncocked
#3 Accumulator
Plane Angle of the Clubshaft to the ground

Skywalker

Good stuff man....love these posts.

What would you say is ideal?

What are some of these guys' faults?...I'm sure some have faults. Like Tiger's straight neck...

What about options...i.e. matching setups to stroke types?

Player builds/heights have an influence?

So many questions to ask.......

Ideal?...the only ideal is that the human machine/the golfing machine are set-up to execute a motion (Hitting or Swinging)...that simulates the intended "Flight Path of the Ball"...

Yes Tiger's Neck Tilt is the problem...thus causing Bobbing on the downsstroke...read my Post on Manzella'Forum....NAT.... He is looking at the ball down the vertical axis of his eyes and "re-centers" his fovial field to "re-center the object...Notice the ears are markedly behind a line drawn up from hip joint to shoulder joint plus his chin is pulled "Up and In" toward his adams apple...face is up...This is BAD...really BAD NEWS...look at the Postural Deviations...Study the markings of each..the Chin, the Ears, the Pelvic angle, etc....

Yes, combinations of upper and lower limb length, Torso length, Plane Angle, and #3 Accumulator Angle influence a persons posture...

Read 7-2-4 for the "TGM" ideal..."Move the stance line and ADJUST the knee bend, the Waist Bend and the #3 Accumulator Angle....."

Shywalker

I personally just set my Right Forearm On Plane with the Club first. This determines precisely the amount of knee bend and spine angle I need. If in doubt, I go to Impact Fix. That tells me where my head, spine angle, knee bend, etc. should be at address.

And it works for all club lengths, and different physical makeup of the golfer. So it's a pretty simple procedure...

Do you think the above golfers would play better with the recommended set-up of right forearm on-plane? If so, why don't they already do it OR do they simply NOT know!

I could see myself telling Nicklaus that he's set-up incorrectly ...

Then He would simply ask " Hey, Skywalker....How many majors have you won lately?

BTW.... Tong...Great point..especially if your a Hitter... like Appleby

Same question as skywalker, none of the golfers set up with right forearm on plane with the club, is that because of swinging?

:wink:

I'll wade in here for a minute...

How many professional golfers set up with the right forearm on plane?

How many professional golfers have zero shift?

Do the golfers have a faulty setup or is it that they have their own variations? Granted these variations may require a compensating move during the stroke, but as long as it isn't mismatched it shouldn't result in being a fault!?.

I doubt it that these or many of the professionals have ever learned to set up at Impact Fix. I think this is beared out in golf instruction and comments by both them and the writers, "Address the ball is the position you impact that ball" but yet the the imperatives are missing.

And the Choir said...Amen!!!

Great Points ....Martee!!!!

Can't you still have a non-zero shift stroke even with your right forearm on plane at address?

Thanks.

Yes you certain can. John Dunigan actually teaches this as I recall.

A Double Shift is what accomplishes this.

Just setting the Forearm in position alone is only one part of the equation. Shoulders, hips etc all go into the definition.

I think that is why Homer defined and has made a point of Impact Fix. If you start from that point and define your address then alignments come easier and accuracy is more attainable.

IMO the downside is that you can adopt a number of variations, all correct but some which are not as optimal for your body's attributes which in turn may not produce the maximum results. But this is a theory I am still thinking about....

Great Points ...guys....

Now how many touring professionals do you see conscously going to Impact Fix...then returning to adjusted address in their pre-shot routine?

And if they do...Do they look a little mechanical while playing?

Subconsiously though...I have seen Numerous players in their routine walk in from the side...with the "Flying Wedges" assembled in the air above the ball..

Checkout this old school footage of Walter Hagen:




Just realized the only two things my game REALLY lacks is the bowtie and the socks

Great stuff Annikan,
I believe in the GM the Right Forearm is always positioned On Plane at Address for ALL procedures, including all of 10 - 7 and 10-6 apart from Hands Only.
The pictures represent the ideal, as close to zero tolerance, a goal to be achieved ( or not in my case!) regardless if any human being has ever and so on.
I can only speak for myself, but the zero shift of 10-6-B seems to be no problem for many here. With a four foot mop in front of the living room mirror it was so logical and easy . Old Persimmon refused to comply though. That sinking feeling during the round was not my mood but my Hands!.
Some strong tendency or other, a careless beginning?. Probably.
Fitting this Human Machine to the Golfing Machine aint been easy!. But you gotta love it.!

One thing i've noticed is that a lot of touring pros will start from an adjusted address but then will go towards a "sorta" impact fix by giving a foward press and THEN starting their backswing.

I know it isn't a "true" impact fix but it is an "almost there." ;)

Means To An End
 

Homer Kelley felt that the purpose of Impact Fix is to master consciously the Alignments of Impact in all Three Zones (Body, Arms and Hands). Once that purpose is accomplished, the player no longer needs to go to Fix (except in the most demanding situations). He felt the same way about the Practice Swing.

In other words, once you know your alignments, you no longer need to rehearse...

You simply Execute.

The On Plane Right Forearm
 

The truly On Plane Right Forearm demands a Body at or near Impact Fix. That condition results in the Hip Slide (Weight Shift) that tilts the Shoulder Turn Axis (the spine) and thus lowers the Right Shoulder. This results in a greater Bend in the Right Elbow than when the Right Shoulder is higher in its non-Impact condition.

Hence, most great players -- especially Swingers in their Standard Adjusted Address -- have a Right Forearm slightly higher at Address than at Impact.

Once you know you know....forget about it!
- TT or HK?

Thanks Yoda for your comment!