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Trig 01-25-2005 10:18 PM

I "loaded" my right elbow!
 
I've been working my machine from the ground up, spending a lot of time on Zone 1 issues for the past month.

Today I moved to the other zones. I got into a nice feeling of loading the right elbow, having a slow start down, then just driving hard - down, out, and forward through the ball.

With a loaded right elbow, I noticed I could delay my release varying amounts.

I've never known the feeling of a loaded right elbow until today.

It's a beautiful thing.... :D

Richw 01-25-2005 10:36 PM

Sounds great Trigolt! Please share what you did to get this feeling. :)

Trig 01-25-2005 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richw
Sounds great Trigolt! Please share what you did to get this feeling. :)

Well....let's see.

I've been experimenting with different plane angles for the past week or so. I've found that a flatter angle works best for me. As I've been playing with the flatter angle I found a "feeling" of the right elbow loading. I "found" this position by trying different positions for the elbow at the top. When I got home I did some mirror work, reproducing the different elbow "feelings" I experienced on the range.

It feels "loaded" when my right forearm is perfectly supporting the plane at exactly a right angle. So, bent right wrist, with the right forearm at a 90 degree angle to the plane.

The other variations did not feel "loaded" and my forearm was not at a right angle to the plane.

I literally feel like my my right elbow is loaded and is driving my #1pp and flying wedge assemblies.

Gee....I hope this is "TGM-correct"!

Richw 01-25-2005 11:01 PM

Being shorter then the average TMG'r I've always had a flatter plane and for the longest time I've been told to get more upright at the top. I remember a post in which Yoda had mentioned that it didn't matter what the plane angle was, so long as the plane line stayed constant. So your experiments are very interesting to me. Keep us up to date please :)

Trig 01-25-2005 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richw
Being shorter then the average TMG'r I've always had a flatter plane and for the longest time I've been told to get more upright at the top. I remember a post in which Yoda had mentioned that it didn't matter what the plane angle was, so long as the plane line stayed constant. So your experiments are very interesting to me. Keep us up to date please :)

You are correct about Yoda's commentary about plane angle. Look at Jack vs Hogan vs Snead. One was steep, the other flat, the other in the middle. But ALL had perfect alignments supporting their chosen plane angles.

Yoda 01-27-2005 02:17 AM

Multi-Tasking TGM
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Trigolt

I've been working my machine from the ground up, spending a lot of time on Zone 1 issues for the past month.

Today I moved to the other zones. :D

This is an important point. Homer Kelley felt strongly that you should always be working on several things (and not on just one thing). The reason is that you may be having a terrific problem with a certain Stroke Component, only to find that when you fixed something else, the 'problem child' was automatically eliminated.

For the same reason -- though he did not specifically say it -- I'm certain he would have endorsed the idea of those 'several things' being diversified across each of the Three Zones:

Zone 1 -- Body

Zone 2 -- Arms

Zone 3 -- Hands

Working in any one Zone to improve Balance or Power or Direction is always advisable. Working simultaneously on selected, complementary Components in each of those areas is even more so.

Uppndownn 01-27-2005 07:06 PM

Lynn, you are making too much sense
 
Dang, that post sounded good.
You, Lynn are one of the few that understand the components.
Let alone determine which ones may be complementary.
:lol: :cry: :cry: :P

tgmer 01-27-2005 10:16 PM

"with the right forearm at a 90 degree angle to the plane"

At the top, I have a flat backswing with the shaft parallel to the inclined plane, at approx. 45 degree (not parallel to the target line). However my right forearm is not at 90 degree to the inclined plane, its more vertical. I am fanning the right forearm on the takeaway, I difficult to get 90 degree.

Is 90 degree a must and how can you get into this position?

Trig 01-28-2005 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwh
At the Top of the Backswing, the Right Palm is underneath and flat against the Plane, supporting the On Plane clubshaft. For your Right Forearm to be 90 degrees to the Plane, the Wrist bend would have to be 90 Degrees. So, if your're Forearm isn't 90 Degrees to the Plane, your Hands are out of position or your Wrist Bend is less than 90 Degrees. No law against having less than a 90 degree Wrist Bend.

Do you know where I can locate this in the book? I was thinking it was ideal to have the right forearm at a 90 degree angle to the plane at the top.

Bagger Lance 01-28-2005 05:52 PM

Push-Pull Rams
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Trigolt

Do you know where I can locate this in the book? I was thinking it was ideal to have the right forearm at a 90 degree angle to the plane at the top.

Trig,

Start with The Flying Wedges 6-B-3-0-1.
Then when you've had a cup of coffee or jolt cola, read 7-3 very carefully.

By the way. There is a typo in the glossary for "Flying Wedges". The Mechanical definition should read 90 degrees, not 98 degrees.

Bagger

FL-John 01-28-2005 06:04 PM

Yoda spoke very specifically about this in the Martee CD. I am going to point you to the picture gallery from the Pine Needles workshop on Chuck's site:

http://www.chuckevansgolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=559

The pictures on the left are numbered. Look at the sequence of photos with the numbers 8546, 8547, 8548, & 8549. As you will see, the first two photos have Yoda's arm 'tucked in'. When he explained this on the Martee CD, he said Homer did not like this position as the right arm gave no support to the Lever Assembly. In the latter of the two photos, you will see how he positions his right forearm at more of a 90* angle to the left arm/lever assembly.

On the CD, he went on further to say that the best support is given at 90*. When we stand right here today, we apply a force at a 90* angle to the ground. This is also the reason Homer has been quoted as saying "Jack Nicklaus had the best right elbow in golf"....sure it looks like its flying, but it is also giving strong structural support to the lever assembly. I just noticed you can also a 'Top of Backswing' photo of Jack on the wall...notice the positioning/alignment of his right forearm to the lever assembly...pretty close to 90*.

If you look at the pictures of Diane in TGM, notice her rt. arm position at the top of any photo. It may not always be 90*, but it is definitely not tucked in tight!!!

Hope this helps!

FL-John

Trig 01-28-2005 06:11 PM

Re: Push-Pull Rams
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bagger Lance
Trig,

Start with The Flying Wedges 6-B-3-0-1.
Then when you've had a cup of coffee or jolt cola, read 7-3 very carefully.

By the way. There is a typo in the glossary for "Flying Wedges". The Mechanical definition should read 90 degrees, not 98 degrees.

Bagger

Good tip Bagger.

Per 6-B-3-0-1:

"...the Right Forearm and the Clubshaft are, in like manner, positioned on the plane of the Right Wrist Bend AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE. That is the precision assembly and alignment of the Power Package basic structure and is mandatory during the entire motion. Hitting or Swinging."

YodasLuke 01-30-2005 04:35 PM

Re: Push-Pull Rams
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Trigolt
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bagger Lance
Trig,

Start with The Flying Wedges 6-B-3-0-1.
Then when you've had a cup of coffee or jolt cola, read 7-3 very carefully.

By the way. There is a typo in the glossary for "Flying Wedges". The Mechanical definition should read 90 degrees, not 98 degrees.

Bagger

Good tip Bagger.

Per 6-B-3-0-1:

"...the Right Forearm and the Clubshaft are, in like manner, positioned on the plane of the Right Wrist Bend AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE. That is the precision assembly and alignment of the Power Package basic structure and is mandatory during the entire motion. Hitting or Swinging."

Pay special attention to the middle of the page and the bottom of the page in 7-3.
Homer didn't capitalize those words because he got his finger stuck on CAPS LOCK! He was screaming at you to see the importance.


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