Sweep loading in swinging...
 

Hi guys, i need some insight to make sure i am not making the journey longer than it need be. I am embarking on the swinger journey as per 12-2-0. My problem is with Component 22. I have never liked nor been comfortable with snap loading. Changing to sweep loading many years ago made perhaps the biggest improvement to my game ever. All of a sudden i had some decent compression and better direction to boot. I started to mess with snap loading again on the range and had no success. I have no doubt there is a logical reason for this but would like to press on using sweep loading. I would like to know how compatible this loading is with swinging. I know Homer favours a stroke with the least compensations and wonder how far from that i am straying by using the sweep. I am starting to hit the ball well on the range with the sweep and have used it most of my life. I am pretty sure two great examples of swinging with sweep would be Faldo and Els. Maybe it isn't straying to far from the safe?

Regards

John

JT1,
There is a large dicussion and explanation of some advantages of Full Sweep loading in the Advanced Machine Forum. For either Swinging or Hitting! I think it might be of interest to you! As stated in one of the posts....over 3000 students were "served" Full sweep loading for Stage 2- Aquired Motion size swings and some kept it for their Stage 3 Total Motion for their Normal Stroke Pattern. Bottom line... whether you like it or NOT...Full Sweep CAN work.... and it HAS worked for many people....

Adios Amigo,

Annikan

Re: Sweep loading in swinging...
 

I think in the 7th edition revisions (sorry, dont have them here in front of me), Homer changes it to random sweep. I think.

Regardless, you must do what you feel comfortable with. If snap doesnt work, there is nothing wrong with sweep - in fact, I would suffice to say most tour pro's are sweep versus snap.

I think you're on the right track. The ball doesnt lie.

Patrick

Moved here for acute care
 

Actually JT, I moved you here to keep me company! :D

Bagger

Re: Sweep loading in swinging...
 

Welcome Patrick ! Good seeing ya again.

The longer the club the more I tend to use Sweep- especially with the driver.
To go one step further, this sweep action is the "seems as if" feeling of those instructors (Austin and Crocker as example) that advocate an early release from the top and what some try to call a cast. Only in comparison to a later snap release are these "feelings" true.

JT- in my humble opinion - Els snaps. His hands drop straight down from high above his shoulders to in front of his trouser pleads and the shaft is still parallel to the ground.

Thanks heaps guys!
 

Some super posts as usual, and good move Bagger :)

I would love to see confirmation of the seventh edition statement, that would be awesome.

I'm not sure Mike. To me he has his power package assembled well before the top, even tho he does create even more lag on the way down i think. Intersting stats by Annikan too.

John

Re: Thanks heaps guys!
 

Els does sweep load to the top. I thought you were refering to his release. My bad. #-o

Re
 

That's ok Mike, i'm thinking my thread starter should have been a bit clearer as to assembling vs release.

John

No way does Els sweep load in his backstroke...


DG

I'll say one thing, Els left forearm and club are at 90 degree's by the time his left arm is level with the ground. He's from the Faldo/Leadbettter school of having the "wrists set" by this point.

A true sweep load would have the right elbow starting to cock at the beginning of the backstroke....Els is not doing that....I'm looking at a picture of Els in his book "How to Build a Classic Golf Swing" and his hands are not set at the half stroke position (with a 2 iron). Text in the book has Els saying..."wrists hinge naturally"....I would consider that comment to indicate that Els is snap loading or the very least random loading....Ernie is going away from the ball with an extensor action takeaway (full sweep has the loading starting at the beginning of the backstroke)....the real arguement should be whether or not it's a snap load or random load....

I use snap loading....with some clubs, especially with the short clubs, it may appear to look like sweep loading but I can feel the left wrist complete it's cocking motion at the end assembly point.


DG

No worries Dave. I have Leadbetters book where he dissects some great swings and Els is at least 80% set at the point i speak of.

Dave there's a superb video of Els below with the driver, it is the 44 second vid link on the page. I may get educated here but i really cannot see how he could be snap loading. It's random sweep for mine. The video also has a superb inset of impact showing that per TGM the driver definitely isn't on the upswing!! :)


http://www.beauproductions.com/golfs...ieels/main.htm

John Thomas1,

Go to Advanced, Scroll Down, to Full Sweep Loading, Find Annikan Skywalker...It might help...it might NOT!!!

Thanks Annikan, some great points there. I struggle using snap loading and the like and found your info very satisfying :)

Annikan,
Thanks for the reminder of your post. It is loaded with Grade A fog busting points of light.

Sweep has so many advantages as you pointed out.
1- For me snap loading had little control of the impact fix flying wedge formation so late in the back swing.
2- I think Sweep loading is the only way to use the right forearm takeaway. The RFT with Flying Wedges pretty much rules the golf swing for me.

Can you follow up on what Lynn and Chuck told you about random sweep on the down stroke?

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