Swinging with an angle hinge?
 

Can one swing successfully using an angled hinge or are the components not compatible?

JohnThomas1,

Please see 10-19-0, pg 192, last para.

Thank you kindly, looks like i might be in trouble if tooooo much skill is reqiured hehehe [-o<

Short answer: yes it's possible but you're always going to be fighting the inclination for the clubhead to close. If you do try it, make sure you feel less left wrist TURN going back and less ROLL coming through. I find it helps if I set up with a slightly open plane line and then try to "hold it off" coming through impact.

Thanks Matt, good to see you still going strong

Swinging with an angled hinge is easy. It took me a while to find a way to reproduce it consistently and when i describe how to do it below some of you will probably chastize me lol.

Basically, everything in the backswing stays the same and everything up to impact stays the same.

What you have to ELIMINATE is the SWIVEL.

NO SWIVELING!

Once you get to "both arms straight" you have to have this feel of (here we go) letting the clubhead pass your hands.

Hope that helps.

Thanks Jim, and i do know what you mean. Not that much swivel with an angle hinge anyway i think so it should be spot on.

Thanks

I Swing w/ Angled Hinge right now.

Striking it very well.

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I Swivel on the way back.....open it up about as much as I possibly can....then Angled Hinge on the way through. No lefts.

Doesn't feel the least bit hard for me to stop the Roll through the ball.....in fact, this is the best I've ever been at eliminating the left side...and the trajectory isn't weak or with too much fade either.

Don't feel like I have to resist anything at all....especially cause I haven't been missing left really at all.

Thanks for the comment BM. Would opening it up on the way back equate to horizontal hinging? also when then not swiveling back on the way down leave the ball to the right? I thought if we opened it on the way back then we had to close it on the way down. Thanks for any help mate :)

With the Tomasello approach...going back and forth from horizontal hinging and angled hinging is so simple and soooo effective.

Swing with the right arm and hit with the right arm....it's that simple.

DG

Hey thanks Dave, i will go thru that DVD again for sure mate. Some great stuff in that.

Angled Hinge at Augusta
 

Guys, I hate to change gears (it's angled hinge related though), looking at Masters highlights from yesterday's round at Masters.org, I found Freddy Couples executing a perfect little right arm hitting pitch shot (with angled hinging) at hole number 9, if you can find the highlight (masters searchable video, round 2, 2006) it's worth watching. Here is the title of the highlight:

Checkout how Freddy loses the lag at the end of the stroke...

Title: 2006 Masters Tournament
Player: Fred Couples (United States)
Round: Round 2
Description: Couples Hops Past Hole at No. 9


DG

Matt,

In the Collin Neeman lesson videos, Lynn talks about promoting a fade by using angled hinging. I believe that Collin is a Swinger, so I am wondering how to reconcile your statement about the inclination of the clubhead to close (which is what I experience when I try to Swing with angled hinging) with Lynn's advice to Collin.

RT

With angled hinging, the clubface will not close during the impact interval as much as it does with horizontal hinging. This in turn will impart some "fade" spin onto the ball. A perfectly centered impact with horizontal hinging produces perfect compression and, given the correct ball position, a dead-straight shot.

What Lynn means is that in general an angled hinge produces a fade. I was saying that when you do Swing with an angled hinge that due to the physics of Swinging the clubface WANTS to close. Each and every stroke you need to fight the tendency of the clubface to close down and produce horizontal hinging.

So in summary: when Swinging the clubface naturally wants to close through impact. To make an angled hinge, you can't let that happen. If you do successfully keep the closing action from happening, you will produce a slight fade. As usual with The Golfing Machine, things come full circle once again.

A reason for everything
 

I wonder why Lynn didn't teach Collin to just place the ball forwards a little and and retake the Grip with the Left Wrist Flat, Level and Vertical and the Clubface facing the initial target (Manipulated Hands Swinger). This would eliminate the need to produce the compensating Angled Hinging motion for the swinger.

Exactly what I do too. Thank G__ I'm not the only one.

Matt,

Thanks for the info.

RT

For me it doesn't at all.....feel like I'm gonna miss ridiculously right that is. I hit to a trajectory right now that I'm very happy with. Straight fade to slight push fade. Perfect IMO. I don't have to feel like I'm ever holding off a hook.....I just rotate my torso to the left as hard as I can really....while Axis-Tilting of course....to get shoulder downplane.

I'm prolly adding some right arm thrust through Impact but I'm not sure.

I feel no inclination to Horizontal Hinge to tell you the truth.

Bbl....going to hit balls....:)....springtime :):):):cool:

-Paul

Jim,

When you say "(b)asically, everything in the backswing stays the same and everything up to impact stays the same" does this mean you use a typical Swinger's takeaway swivel and sequenced release?

RT

Exactly. Same takeaway, same sequenced release, same downswing move.

I just eliminate the swivel by letting my left wrist breakdown after both arms straight. However i have REALLY good clubface control. So this may not be the smartest option for everyone.

Thanks for the reply.

RT

Ok,
This guy comes up to me
His face red like a rose on a thorn bush
Like all the colors of a royal flush

And well, he isnt too happy to say the least!

Why? Anyone?

I want to revisit this thread cause I've learned more....and have been working more with a Hor. Hinge lately.....was all Angled before, more or less.

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I want to say that.....if you really are a Swinger....a "pure Swinger"....Bobby Jones type-deal......a Horizontal Hinge IS gonna WANT to happen. It might feel like you are Bending your left wrist through Impact....but you aren't....(well, maybe bends sooner past Imapct than with an Angled Hinge....but still Flat through Impact).

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I WAS Hitting (some)...and not "Swinging with an Angled Hinge" (and with Startup/Release Swivels).

...BTW....I'm hesitant to say "Hitting a bit"....

....but to me that's what it is....cause I would take it to the End still (but with more Tracing the Plane Line and less "flail" than with my "pure Swing"...which is a STT...like Jones)........but then thrust through Impact.....creating the Angled Hinge (the thrust creates it, really...if you just spin...pull....like BJones.....you're gonna have a damn hard time with it....cause you are more resisting a Hor. Hinge, rather than making an Ang. Hinge happen, if you know what I mean..."holding it off").

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I'm driving it really well with this "pure Swing" and Hor. Hinge now tho....no lefts either.....which is really what I was always guarding with with an Angled Hinge....glad I decided to work on a Horizontal Hinge more.

Have identified what has to be done to do it properly though (i.e. without a Lagging Clubhead Takeaway or STT, for one...you need none of that....and more STRAIGHT LINE Tracing...more Extensor Action).....I understand it more.....

So I thought I'd pass that on.