Lob Shots
 

What is your procedure when wishing to play a high lob shot....

LOb Shots
 

With my new found TGM swing, I just roll my left wrist open and leave it there. High and Soft.

When it's lob time I set up open stance, open hips. Lay the clubface down slightly open to the target line. I setup with the ball forward in my stance towards the left heel.
From there it's a simple "acquired motion" swing. Take the right forearm up to just parallel with the ground and depending on how high and far I want to hit it, I come down with the appropriate acceleration using vertical hinging (reverse roll feel) and into the finish. All of this while maintaining a flat left wrist through impact.
Not much different than a bunker shot...except aiming point is in front of the ball.

Bagger

Let me add a little if I may,

Let's try a circle path delivery with vertical hinging. Remember to zero out the axis tilt to insure throwout. The "FEEL" will be that the sternum and and coccyx are in direct alignment, and that the right shoulder remains "HIGH" with the club coming into alignment very early. Clubhead bounce angles will dictate much of what is feasible with these shots, so experimentation is vital. The results of the testing will have to remain in your "computer" to be conjured up in planning specific shots at hand given different ground density parameters WITH AN UNDERSTANDING OF THROWOUT AND (if you're reallly good) INTENTIONAL DEGREES OF THROWAWAY .

EC

PS: IT FEELS LIKE WE ARE IN LAMBEAU!

EC,

Welcome to the forum! Not a Packers site but hey, if you are a fan that it makes it all the better. As you can see, Yoda likes it green!

I'm going to press you on this one to see if you can help "clear the fog" on the terminology and procedure. There's a bunch of new folks here that could really benefit from your post if you can break it down a bit.

I'll kick it off with some clarification of your first sentance...In TGM path is always the path of the hands.

Hope all is well at Pinehurst... :D

Bagger

Re: Lob Shots
 

I only play this shot as a last resort and only if the lie is not on hardpan.

But, when I do play it, I set up for it much like a bunker shot. This is what I do, maybe we'll find out if I'm right or not!

1. Open clubface and point it towards my target.

2. Open my stance quite a bit - if I have a very high short shot to hit, I open my stance a lot, less so for longer flops.

3. Play the ball in middle/front of stance.

4. Apply varying amounts of lag pressure on the downswing, depending on how far/high the shot needs to be.

5. Use vertical hinging.

Bagger,

Thanks for the welcome, but hey, I'm no Packer fan! It's Panthers all the way and a GREEN bermuda grass field. There is absolutely NOTHING I like about a frozen tundra!!!


OK,

Circle path is a CIRCULAR hand delivery path...no straight line is attempted, and is normally executed without an axis tilt. Accompanied by vertical hinging it is capable of producing super soft shots. Quite frankly, when given a decent lie, I make a couple of adjustments to assure that I disrupt RHYTHM and thus create intentional throwaway. In Mr. Kelley's own words..."Throwaway can be an extremely useful procedure when used intentionally." Granted, this takes a superior understanding of the mechanics, but isn't it superiority for which we are all striving?

EC

I have seen EC demo this! He can execute the LOB like nobody's business. E how about the super turned grip?

OK, but everybody's going to take this as TGM blasphemy, but CLOSE the stance line, square plane line, super turned left wrist, super strong right wrist (anything to FLATTEN it out),elbow pointing TOWARD the target, reverse axis tilt, vertical hinging, aiming point BEHIND the ball, circle path delivery with as much speed relative to the aiming point as you dare!!!!!! Oh yeah, keep the blade square unless you need to hit it STRAIGHT up! THROWAWAY can be your friend!

EC

Softly, softly
 

The 60 degree wedge has been a godsend for this shot. It allows me to hit the shot without straying too far from my normal pitch. I use a slightly open stance, and play the ball a bit forward, close to the left heel. My shaft would be slightly back of vertical. I open the face a little and use early wrist cock on the way back as well as not worrying about throwaway on the way thru. A great find for me was in not picking the club up too sharply, i actually like to sweep it back. A shallow angle of approach works well for me for some reason. Maybe i get better loft value from the club.

This works! E spent a ton of time with me trying to get me to get the BLV Right Wrist. Then we head to the putting green and he says "Grip it like this and THROW IT AWAY." I was like "We spent all this time getting the club low and behind my hands. And you want me to do WHAT?"

This shot is deadly. The ball comes out soooo soft and sticks like a dropped cat.

EC - you scare me! :D
I've been working for years on preventing throw away.
But I know, you know, what you are talking about. And so does Homer! I'll look up the reference this weekend but it pertains to the effective use of throw away.

Is this true throwaway, or is a "geometrically" flat left wrist?

Thanks,

Bagger

Bagger my Man,

Quite perceptive of you to mention the geometric flat left wrist or its EQUIVALENT, and in this case it is the equivalent (10-2-D grip) which is being employed, however THROWAWAY is intentionally, subtly, and effectively utilized. The trick is understanding the aiming point concept 6-E-2 as it pertains to these shots. "The hands must ALWAYS take one of the Delivery Paths (10-23) but even with Circle Path, the Thrust is still a straight-line EFFORT toward the aiming point." The laying back only procedure of verical hinging has the left hand immediately palm down after low point and the both arms straight position is realized EXTREMELY early in comparison to full Thrust shots.

TGM is seriously the heat!

EC

Homer Kelley On The 'Throwaway' Lob Shot
 

Homer told his students: "I have found nothing...not even Clubhead Throwaway...that if properly compensated and applied can't be used effectively." He put that same thought between Yellow Covers in 1-K.

EC,

Your lob/sand technique is how I play those shots. Seems Trevino also use that sort of technique.

I feel I turn the club to open the clubface rather than opening the clubface and regriping.

I learned the shot from Peter Croker who was an AI at one time.

ldeit

Two Lee's and me! I feel that I am in great company!!!!!

EC

Pinehurst #7
 

I happened to see the throwaway shot from EC on #18 at Pinehurst #7, prettiest, soft little chip that did everything but go in. Listen to this guy guys and girls, he knows his stuff. Eddie, I won't tell everybody about leaving at the turn to get a different driver though!!!! OOPS, I guess I just did. :twisted:


Todd

Welcome Lee!
 

Welcome aboard, Lee, and congrats on your first post!

Folks, Lee is a top-flight California teaching professional and AI who really knows his TGM. Read everything he puts up: you'll never be disappointed, and you'll learn a ton!

Welcome Todd!
 

Here's another guy you need to give your attention. Todd is a long-time PGA member and Head Professional at a top-flight club. Plus...he can flat play! Quoting the old E.F. Hutton commercial -- at least three of you out there are old enough to remember that one, aren't you? =P~ -- When Todd speaks...people listen!

Re: Pinehurst #7
 

Todd,

Great memories... the only thing, our knowledge had yet to catch up with our desires! I hope that you have learned as much as I have thanks to fateful re-emergence of YODA!!!! By the way, big guy, I can drive it through the eye of a needle now! Here's to you, Philly, and me; we need to do it again. I hope all's well with you!

Cheers!!!!

EC

Lynn,

Thanks for the comment above!

ldeit