Float
 

The Float Load, or Down Cocking Action seems to be seldom used or recommended anymore. Do most of you see this as a less desirable procedure? It does seem to cause some timing problems, and may tend to make some STEEP.

However, Mr. Nicklaus did quite well with this action.

What do you think is the proper, and improper way to execute this procedure?

I float load and as long as your rythym is fine, the swing has a completely effortless feeling.

The problems with it are "over doing the float" and getting under the sweet spot and you start lagging the hosel.

BTW shot my first 18 of the year last friday and shot +1 so it works.

Jim,

I have memberships at both the Joliet Country club and Bolingbrook golf club and would enjoy having you down sometime this summer and get to meet another TGM'er. I know a couple of scratch players that would like to get together with you and take some money off of me. I'll load up the pockets. Hmm, maybe we'll just take theirs?

If interested, pm me late next week when I get back in town.

Will do! I'd love to come down :)

Great Jim. I look forward to meeting you. Play 18, lunch, then another 18. Let's talk next week.

I do....
 

I am a Swinger and use a Float Loading procedure. So far, there does not seem to be any problems. The only side effect thus far is that I hit it long and straight.

I think such a procedure really helps the smaller guys like me (5'9 and 155 lbs) keep up distance wise with the bigger boys. After mastering this procedure, my swing speed went up from 115mph when I was using a Full Sweep Release to 124mph.

Comdpa,

I'm trying to understand this.

You float load and sweep release?
How does that combo work?

Do you immediately begin releasing as soon as you have loaded the accumulators on the downstroke?

Thanks,

Bagger

i may be wrong, but i think he meant he used to use a sweep release when he swung at 115mph

That is one helluva clubhead speed you got, up there with the big boys on the PGA Tour! This stuff works!

Spot On...
 

Thanks for the clarification jim_0068, that was spot on.

The Real Deal
 

You are right Tongz, TGM is the real deal. The difference between a Full Sweep and an Auto Snap...as depicted in the photo below.

Per 6-N-O: "The earlier in the Downstroke the Release occurs, the larger, longer and slower the Release Arc will be for both the Clubhead and Hands. Other things being equal, this will require Higher Hand Speed to produce yardage equivalent to that of the short, quick Arc of the Maximum Delay.

This involves Angular Speed which is measured by the number of degrees of an Arc through which the motion moves per second. From Release to Impact is just so many degrees of travel - at the Left Shoulder and/or at the Left Wrist. Doubling the travel time (for instance) halves the travel rate. Also see 2-P and 7-23."

Also see 2-K#6 - The Endless Belt Effect.

It's the most advanced procedure, which demands tremendous talent to handle the "timing" issue.

Just gave a lesson today:

A little "float loading" fixed my student right up. Main issue was an over rolling of the left forearm during the takeaway which would cause all HEAPS of issues.

Once i introduced a lagging clubhead takeaway and a little float loading his swing speed increased from 102-105 to 115-118 in our 2 hours lesson.

It also fixed his over rolling motion and allowed him to swing ON PLANE and also get the right shoulder downplane.

This stuff works!

Great photos Comdpa! - You made the switch between the two release types and have added tonnes of MPH but few questions if I may -

what did you work on to achieve this effect?

Also what "feels" have you noted now that you did not have before?

And how do you apply extensor action with such a bent right elbow at release?

Noticed that you not been posting much recently - good to have you back, thanks!

I Did It...
 

Hi golfbulldog,

Thanks for the kind words. Never thought that absence from posting will be noticed. Have been real busy juggling my day job in banking as well as my golf teaching business.

Big Fish Golf will be rolling out their new line of golf apparel in the ensuing months, so that also adds to the demands on our time.

Let me answer your questions in sequence.

1)What did you work on to achieve this effect?

6-B-1-C
6-B-2-C
6-B-3-C
6-B-4-C

2) What "feels" have you noted now that you did not have before?

-The shaft feels more like a buggy whip now.
-Right Elbow is more bent at release point per 7-3.
-More power with the same effort.

3) How do you apply extensor action with such a bent right elbow at release?

To be honest, I don't even think of it. It just happens.

If you want the full swing clip of this picture, just drop me a PM with your email address.

I would love to hear Lynn chime in on this. From what I see in his available swing sequences, I believe he utilizes the same procedure.

The difference I believe, is that Lynn uses a Top Power Package Assembly Point (10-21-A) where I use End (10-21-C).

He then uses a Straight Line Power Package Delivery Path (10-23-A) whereas using an End position necessitates a Top Arc and Straight Line Path (10-23-C).

I am working towards what Lynn is doing to produce per 6-C-2-D, an even Higher Thrust Low Speed Impact.

Regards...

Mr. Hogan - Singapore style!
 

Great images, thanks again.

Wondering exactly what drills you worked on.

Did Greg McHatton help with your max trigger delay?

Did you use any "non-real feels " or training aids to change your release?

Your pivot looks a little more "delayed" with snap release ? Shoulders a fraction more closed as you move into downswing? If so, did you learn pivot changes through pivot train or did new pivot change secondary to pp3 thrust changes?

Now you have learnt it - is it all about straight line delivery path and aiming point and pp3?
Too many questions...! Sorry!!!

Nice swing comdpa. I'd like it better if you combined the left pic with the right. i.e. lag of the right one, body of the left one.

I agree with birdie_man, that would make for an extremely good looking swing.

Matt

Isn't the right wrist cocked in the right hand photo,or is it just more bent than in the left hand photo.I am curious because an increase in extensor action feels like less of an angle in my left wrist ( not less lag pressure).It is interesting that nowhere in the book does Homer equate the acc#2ANGLE to lag pressure.

Drillin' it home...
 

Hi Richard,

I did no other drills except do what was outlined in:

6-B-1-C
6-B-2-C
6-B-3-C
6-B-4-C

Maybe mention should be made of the fact that the most valuable training aid one can have is a full length mirror. Two bays down from where I am hitting balls, there is a full length mirror that I use to look, look, LOOK per 9-2.

I do not concentrate at all on what my pivot is doing. I am more concerned with 5-0, monitoring the hands and making sure that I have an underhanded pitch feel per 2-N-0.

Per 9-1: "Emphatically, Hands are not educated until they control the Pivot."
Per 12-3-0: "Note that no Zone #1 elements are listed - Educated Hands control The Pivot (9-1)."

If your hands are educated, then the pivot will respond correctly. But then again, I already have a trained pivot so I am covered per 6-G: ("Educated Hands can only compensate for Off Line Hip and Shoulder motion but only up to a point.")

It is important to bear in mind 9-0: "The Three Zones are a natural division of the action. Their identities must be maintained in teaching, practice and playing. And unless developed in sequence, a very weak "compensated" game is inevitable."

Also, 9-2: "Zone #3 can never be any better than its Zones #1and #2 support."

First, you train the Pivot and then per 9-2, coordinate Zones #2and #3 as soon as feasible. Finallly, you let the Hands control the Pivot.

In the words of Lynn; monitoring the Pivot instead of the Hands is akin to teaching a javelin thrower to work on the run up instead of proper delivery of the javelin by the arm.

Now that I have mastered it, yes, its all about Aiming Point (6-E-2), PP#3 and a Straight Line Delivery Path.

Last but not least...Gregg did not help me with my MTD, it was absorption and application of the principles found in TGM and explained by my mentors and the mirror that did the job.

That said, it was an experience to meet Gregg if only because I was brought into TGM by his and Bobby Schaeffer's videos.

Cheers.

6 eyes are better than 2...
 

Thanks for the observation guys, that will be the next thing for me to work on.

neil,

I am unable to give you a definite answer as regards the right wrist.

All I know is that when I play on the course now, what was once unreachable is now within reach.

As regards your comment, "It is interesting that nowhere in the book does Homer equate the acc#2ANGLE to lag pressure", is it in reference to my quoting 6-C-2-D?

That's a great looking swing Comdpa. When I looked at the two photos I initially thought there was quite a bit more secondary axis tilt in the one on the left, but apart from the greater accumulator lag in the right one, I think the biggest difference is the angle of your head - its more alighned with your spine in the left pic.

Just my 2c.

Chris

No, not at all. It is purely a statement of fact which for years I had wrong:smile: Great swing by the way!

Maybe but he does have more tilt in the sweep release. You can tell by looking at the tilt of the hips.

Sit and Tilt...
 

jim_0068,

Your observation is right once again and puts paid to the idea that one needs to have excessive axis tilt (what Lynn terms as a "perverted idea of an axis tilt") to achieve a Max Trigger Delay.

Per the glossary:

Axis Tilt: "To change the plane of the Shoulder Turn without moving the Head, the golfer must tilt the Shoulder Axis by moving the Hips."

Balance: "Holding the center of gravity of the body inside The Stance without moving the Head."

Stationary Head: "Choosing the Head - rather than Between-the-Shoulders as the Pivot Center."

Remember, The Golfing Machine should be read as a collective whole just like other manuals instead of topically.

Thus, when we examine these three entries above, we can readily see that the hip slide is only a mere 2-3 inches, for anymore than that will cause the Head to move out of the Pivot Center as well as cause excessive axis tilt.

To cherrypick would be a sure way to misinterpretation, we must use the book to interpret the book.

Down the Line
 

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Good pictures, and good looking Float Load!

Could we possibly some DOWN THE LINE pictures of your Float Loading procedure, and maybe the other also?

Also... do you use Standard, Single , or Double Wrist Action when employing the Float Load?

blah...baloney.

You slide as much as you need too to allow the right shoulder to go downplane.

Your amount of "tilt" will vary depending on your backswing pivot and your flexibility.

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So maybe you need "more tilt" to achieve a maximum trigger delay, but how is that "perverted" if the right shoulder is going down plane properly and the right forearm is on plane at impact?

Hi Frank,

Thanks for the kind words.

I will get together some down the line photographs of a snap release as well as a full sweep release.

With regards to my Left Wrist Action, I will say that it is Standard with a touch of Double Wrist Action.

Very nice move and post!
 

Comdpa . . . you rock!

Even to the point where your Tripod is disrupted???
Again I reference:

Axis Tilt: "To change the plane of the Shoulder Turn without moving the Head, the golfer must tilt the Shoulder Axis by moving the Hips."

Balance: "Holding the center of gravity of the body inside The Stance without moving the Head."

Stationary Head: "Choosing the Head - rather than Between-the-Shoulders as the Pivot Center."

No idea what your "baloney" is referring to...but since I have put up my action for scrutiny, how about YOU put up yours so that we can learn from you.

Comdpa..."baloney" was me just trying to have some fun. Sorry if it offended you.

I think you have a great action.

As for the axis tilt/balance/stationary head arguement...it's a give and take kind of thing.

Stationary head means "technically" you cannot achieve maximum trigger delay. So you are giving up some distance to gain some precision.

On the other hand, if you allow your head to move slightly so that you can achieve maximum trigger delay you will gain some distance and lose some precision.

How much more distance can you gain? Usually a bunch. How much less precision will you lose? That's up for debate. For me, personally, the distance outweighs the slight loss of precision.

that's just me

No worries Jim,

It takes more than just baloney to offend me.

I am always keen to learn, therefore if I am amiss in something, I want to be corrected.

Such is the problem with forums, where nuances in expression are easily misconstrued.

Cheers :)