Mathews stroke sequence....
 

So what you guys think I should do to make it better :)

I've worked real hard at my extensor action and it shows. My head has remained more stationary with only a slight bob in the downstroke... (and it moved around alot previously). I have gotten out the way from last year of going 'up' enough during the startup. My downstroke - Im not sure if I should go to more trigger delay... might be interested in some views on that....

I do hit the ball very far these days though even though my stroke itself is not perfect. Im not particularly accurate although im not 'off the planet' inaccurate either....lol

As I said I know its not perfect, I only play about once a week so be easy guys....lol

Maybe Yoda or Ted could give me pointers as to what would be some good goals for me :).....

I think your swing looks really good Mathew. :) I wish that you had an impact sequence, then we could really let you have it. Just remember what I said after 12 Pc Bucket has a look. Others with a better eye can give you actual analysis. I would like to say that you need to gain a few pounds before you stop using ladies clubs. :laughing9

I'm just so fat..lol.:rolleyes:

Looks good . . . but I agree with Daryl . . . eat more chicken. I can get you on a superb weight gain plan. I guaran-damn-tee to put 40 LBS on your ass in 2 months.

Once apon a time, in a galaxy far far away

I worked in Burger King, shhhhh

I ate more food than there than anyone - I even have had quintriple whoppers with cheese between each layer (that isn't on the menu btw..lol) for dinner with large fries and coke - Im tired of these fad diets...lol - not an ounce of fat I gained.

You ain't from the South are you? I PROMISE . . . you can be fat. This I know a lil' something about . . . I have a 12 Step Progam for you man. I can happen to you. Live the DREAM!

Disclaimer . . . Bucket is not responsible for health hazards, chronic halatosis, chronic flatuence, or unexplained erections when passing pig or chicken farms.

I think it would help if you Loaded it more in the Back Stroke...cause you aren't Float Loading much.

Load more pull more down.

What Plane Angle Variation u usin?

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I think you could try more for looseness Loading that club and less for Ext. Action.

LOL !

You can make me laugh bucket :)

Trust me...nothing can make me gain any weight...lol

Ahaha that was hilarious man.

A little laughter started building up when I read 'flatulence'....then I lost it when you talked about erections.

lol for sure.

Recipes From Down Home
 

Only from our own Bucket, aka The Colonel. And to think...

He is also one of the most knowledgeable TGM folks on the planet!

:)

Now that is spookie . . . :confused1

Thanks Boss!!! Nurse!!!! Do we have a few extra pills we could spare!!!:eyes:

Mathew . . . Hope you don't mind
 

Hey Matthew . . . come on over to the Trigger Delay thread in the Advanced Forum. I spoke with Annikan on the phone this morning. He wants to use your motion as a "test case." He's puttin' his up too. All this in regards to Trigger Delay . . .

Hope you don't mind.

Not a problem :)

I'm biased, because I've seen a clip before, but you can see from the sequence how wonderful your Rhythm is.

Freddie and Ernie like.

Looks to me like you 'may' have your left hand grip too much in the palm. Might be a touch flat too, which can go along with that grip issue, but all the alignments are quite good as far as can be seen here.

Love the Rhythm Mathew, and excellent balance too!

And from the side...



Man, I really need to get more up on my startup....this will change next time I play for sure. I don't particularly like my shoulder motions on the downstroke too much neither....

Thanks Edz - Ive always found you to be a very positive towards me with every analysis you have done and you have my thanks :).

I know my speed of stroke appears slow and easy but it feels 'very' different ...lol. I think its that way for ernie and freddy too...

Im not sure about the left hand grip - I'll look into it - when I assume it deliberately in practice I don't have the heel pad on the side but ill check anyhows :)

Stroke Sequence
 

Matthew,
Good golf swing- and we could elaborate on all the good things, but when I'm looking at my swing- I'm always looking for what's my biggest problem. In that light, if this were my swing, then here's some things on the list, would be areas "for me" to improve.

1) Too close to the ball- A) at address you've got the right forearm on plane with the shaft without any hip slide or weight shift to lower the right shoulder i.e. you're not in impact fix- you've got an on plane right forearm with an address body location. And at impact - just looks like not enough room.

2) "Head still" over done- "over cooked"-
after impact you keep it down so long that the hands and club elevate off- plane. That's an example of pivot controlled hands creating off-plane motion (first frame before finish).

3) The finish (and maybe backswing) swivel looks over done- over cooked also.

4) Frame three as you mention looks off plane at that point.

5) The downswing hip/foot movement looks suspect- not enough rotation/movement.

6) Frame 4- Not a fan of the arched left wrist- and my guess is the right hand and forearm are not fully supporting the load at the top- creating some issues- i.e. for example the frame before impact- to impact- looks like the body doesn't clear but rather the right elbow and shoulder "go around".

In summary, like you said- don't play alot. But overall, I'd say you implemented what you considered Golfing Machine concepts to a T. However, it's easy not to get it correct. Hand Controlled Pivot- not fully understood creates lack of body movement on the downswing. Head still creates Pivot controlled hands. "Application of backswing or finish swivel" can be overdone- as they are things that happen - not things that you try to do. They are effects not causes.

You post a sequence and want some feedback- so that's mine. Would I post my own swing- no, why would I want that kind of feedback!:) Obviously they are not fully explained- but I'd suggest doing what I do which is this- don't necessarily just take any feedback and use it- but store it away and at some point when you're working on your game or some issue with it- you might remember so and so saying you we're doing this and you'll use that information to make a change that seems really relevant at that time.

Good Practice and Good Luck!

I agree with alot of the points here and thank you for your responce....:)

I don't think its just the downstroke hip action which is at fault... I also believe the main fault is with the standard variation which I what I try to preform is of not having enough slide prior to the turn during the backstroke.. what you think ?

My plane has been alot better in other sequences i've taken than this... slipped back alot in this respect from some of the video last year...

That darned arched wrist is annoying ain't it...lol - another reoccuring fault ....

Downstroke hip action
 

Mathew Quote: "I don't think its just the downstroke hip action which is at fault... I also believe the main fault is with the standard variation which I what I try to preform is of not having enough slide prior to the turn during the backstroke.. what you think ? "

Like I said, it was just a few quick thoughts without elaboration- so in regards to your above comment/question and a little more clarification on what I was saying- I don't think that the downstroke or backstroke hip action "is at fault"- the body movements just show the faults of not moving the club in the correct manner, and not moving the club in the right manner or direction tells me that you're not loading the club in the right manner.

Loading the club at the top with the full support of the right forearm- combined with the left wrist "feeling" like it is cupped would be an excellent place to start. You've got to make it through the start down with that wrist feel remaining cupped. Both- left wrist and right forearm issues go hand in hand.

Mike (psych)O . . . Spot on analysis. Could you expand upon the Right Forearm supporting the loading motion please kind sir? I think this is something misunderstood (to an extent by me too). You rock on you swing analysis.

I need to figure out how to put pictures of my sloppy-azz motion out here so you can . . .

CHOP ME UP TOO!!!!! AHHHHHH!!!!! RUN FORREST!!!!!

Seriously though . . . how do you get video from your camera into stills and then on the net?

Email it to me at mtb2004uk@yahoo.com - im so quick at turning video into sequences now its not funny...lol

Yup, Id like some more clarification on this too Mike O:)

Info
 

What feels like cupped to you of course will be flat- but for someone like yourself who is into the Machine- a cupped left wrist- "destroying the flying wedges"- will be a tough feel to deal with- gotta overcome that. Much more and really too much infor to cover all the bases here.

Mike's perspective
 

Just my perspective here. If I were Matthew I would take it back to the top and then stop there, take the left hand off the club and sense how well the right hand/forearm position support the loading motion. Then I would start at address and take the club back with the right hand only - to the top - and find where the best location for the hand and forearm would be for FULLY stopping that club- Is there a difference? Probably.

2nd - Although in the face on pictures that started this thread you might say that Matthew does have a "full" shoulder turn- to me it just doesn't look "right" or "full" to me. However, I'd guess that normally if you get the right hand and forearm supporting the load at the top- then it just requires more shoulder turn compared to Matthew's sequence, as a natural result of the right hand and forearm getting behind and FULLY supporting the load- otherwise it's my guess that at the top for Matthew "everything" i.e. powerpackage- hands and arms are "sliding" off. You support the load with the right hand and right forearm BUT you've got to have the body behind that - supporting that loading- the hand and forearm are "between" the clubshaft and the body (right shoulder)- that load is coming in supported by A) the Hand, B) the Right Forearm, C) the right shoulder- they feel as if they line up- Matthew "missed" the Right Shoulder-Body- it's not lining up or supporting the load- Hence- the Clubshaft, the Right Hand, the Right Forearm are "sliding off-line". My off the wall tip - to try for Matthew - if not real at least perceived would be to start at address with hands facing each other- then at the top with the left wrist slight cupped feeling- and looking- have the right wrist at 90 degrees (perpendicular) to the left wrist. Before anyone freaks out- that's a lesson tee thought- experiment- application- etc. and a possible X classification. You can actually twist the hands on the grip enough to accomplish that.

Thanks Mike O - I'll read this more carefully when I return - have to go to work now but sounds like good stuff :)

update
 

Please note that I edited my previous post- with more information.

If they ever let me come to Cali . . . I gotta break bread with you man! (Or eat fish tacos or whatever y'all grub on out there).

You need more "up" and less "in" on the backswing. It creates an over rolled left forearm and puts the clubshaft off plane which can lead to all kinds of nasty things in the downswing.

Jim,

What mechanical recommendation would you make to Mathew in order to fix the backswing plane? I have struggled on and off with the same problem. I can at times fix it without a ball and then it comes back when I get to the range.

Matt

The Fence
 

There is state legislation in process to build the fence so that won't happen:exclaim:

Are you describing changing the 10-2-B grip into the C variation whilst preforming the standard wrist action?

Is this the rotating lag pressure point as mentioned in 10-11-0-3?

Fight the power.

Experimentation
 

Mathew, I put my response to your question in the quote above- Hope that helps. Review my responses to your sequence- I'm saying you've got to support the load better - which changes the hand and arm locations but also requires/mandates and causes a larger (shoulder) turn. Again, I'm just free wheeling some teaching ideas here- so would be easy to shoot down any particular idea/theory that I've brought up. I'm just throwing out my feedback for you to take it or leave it- no big deal. In that regard- Lynn has a very good golf swing- take a look at the photo of him next to Hogan for the Driver- then look at the same frame of your sequence- does it look like his back is facing the target more than yours (I know you've got an iron - not the same- but that's what I'm seeing...) Then look at Lynn's video of him hitting a 6-iron- see how his triangle doesn't collapse in on the shoulder line (sure different camera angle etc)- the short side is longer than your short side because he's loading the club properly.

The Trip
 

Actually let me know when you fire up the 1972 Ford Pinto- and I'll fire up the Barbecue for you- with a big juicy steak!:happy3:

Yeaaaaaaaah baby! Fat people LOVE steak!

Use more of a lagging clubhead type takeaway and introduce a little float loading. By using a little more of a lagging clubhead takeaway you naturally introduce 2 things:

1) a less open (turned) lead forearm which puts the clubface in a less open position so when you bend that right arm it goes more UP the plane instead of INSIDE the plane

2) it naturally produces a little snap/float type procedure which can introduce very nice rythym and tempo when done correctly.

Just my own thoughts here. Frames 1..4 show your backswing, while 5..12 are downswing. Pros on the other hand, spend twice as much time on their backswings as they do on their downswings. take a look at http://members.aol.com/annika1980/freddie.wmv for example.

Typo: 1..5 on backswing, 6..12 on downswing

Sorry for hijacking this thread, but look at the clubface of Freddie in that clip at Impact (front view)! Can someone explain what's going on there?

3:1
 

Ratio is typically 3:1 for pros. Matthew could confirm but I'm pretty sure we're only seeing the frames he thought relevant for analysis, not the other 15-18 frames that regular video can capture in a swing sequence (aprox. 30 frames per second)

I also noticed the clubface orientation that Tongzilla did. It appears to be wide open and laid well back. I kind of thought that this type of reaction was pretty typical even on centre face hits due to the relative softness of the graphite shaft.

I could watch that action all day long.

CW