Me Thinks this is the Concept to Transform Hackers into G.O.LF.ers
 

OK why do people not "get it?" I think a lot of it has to do with bad information and concepts. And the way to take a giant step out of the lurch is to understand a subtle element of geometry . . . circle geometry in particular.

The concept I think that most don't understand is the Inclined Plane and its relationship to the flight path of the ball.

Here's what I think Mr. K gave us that could help a ton of people get better.

1. The Inclined Plane is basically like a roof . . . like this \ and it extends in all directions up to the sky and down into the earth.

2. On that Inclined Plane lies a circle 0 . . . which is the orbit of the clubhead or sweetspot. Easy enough.

3. There are to primary points on the Inclined Plane and the Circle that are very relevant to our discussion . . . the IMPACT POINT and the LOW POINT.

4. The IMPACT POINT is ABOVE GROUND and the LOW POINT is typically BELOW GROUND for an iron shot with the ball back of LOW POINT of the swing arc.
So the ball is struck at IMPACT POINT and the Clubhead continues to travel DOWN-PLANE (Down, Out and Forward) and down the arc of the Circle until LOW POINT . . . its lowest point and the back up and in - on-plane.

OK Easy enough . . . but here is the critical element in my estimation . . .

5. The BALL LEAVES ON A VERICAL PLANE . . . MEANING VERICAL TO THE GROUND.


BUT THE CLUB CONTINUES TO TRAVEL DOWNPLANE TO LOW POINT . . . thus VISUALLY CROSSING THE LINE OF FLIGHT TO THE BALL FROM THE PLAYERS PERSPECTIVE.

Why? Because Low Point is DOWNPLANE of the Impact Point and thus OUTSIDE the Line of Flight of the ball.

If the player does not understand this he will STEER . . . as Mr. K said "THE NUMBER ONE MALFUNCTION . . . THE BENT LEFT WRIST." Steering is defined in 3-F-7-A:

3-F-7-A STEERING is the Number One malfunction – The Bent Left Wrist and Clubhead Throwaway. Any or all of the following faults during Impact may need to be adjusted out – holding:

1. the Clubface square to the Target Line
2. the Clubhead on Target Line
3. the Clubhead on a level or upward path
A very successful anti-steering therapy is an exaggerated “inside-out” Cut Shot per 10-5-E. Study 2-J-3, 2-N and 12-3-39. You always Swing along the Plane Line but not always along the Flight Line. So learn to dismiss the Flight Line. Depend on Clubface alignment for direction control (2-J). In fact, learn to execute all Plane Line Variations (10-5) to remove all uncertainty from your Computer (14-0).

To see this for yourself . . . get a paper plate and a two pencils and head out into your yard . . . or padded room if your are Mike O. Stick one pencil in the ground and prop your plate up on an incline. Take the next pencil and stab it through the plate just above where the low end of the plate goes down into the grass.

Now position yourself down the line of the plate as if a little shrunken dude were going to hit a golf shot. Forget about the pencil proping up the plate. Your focus is on the pencil at the ground end of the plate. That there pencil represents the VERTICAL PLANE of flight of the ball. The ball flies vertical to the ground right?

So now you can see that the IMPACT POINT where the pencil has stabbed through the plate and the LOW POINT where the plate goes into the grass is OUTSIDE OF THE VERTICAL LINE OF FLIGHT!!!

This is why DOWN is sooo vitally important . . .People don't have enough DOWN but that also don't have enough OUT . . . better yet their OUT is at the wrong time.

This is also why Mr. K said that the INSIDE OUT CUT SHOT is the pill for what ails you. You must "LEARN TO DISMISS THE LINE OF FLIGHT!!!!" He wanted to exaggerate this principal with the inside out cut shut. Swing WAY out to right field and adjust the clubface and the ball will still fly straight.

YOU MUST VISUALLY SEE THE CLUBHEAD PASS TO THE OUTSIDE OF YOUR TARGET LINE

This is the principal of the Geometry of the Circle and the Physics of rotation. You are swinging on a circle and the resulting force MUST got DOWN OUT AND FORWARD INTO THE GROUND!!!

Mr. K says in 7-23 . . . Delivery “THRUST” is “Cross Line” – Delivery “MOTION” is “On Line”. Even at Low Point, because Delivery Path Angle (direction) is ALWAYS the alternate Target Line (7-2-3) even with Circle Delivery Path (1-L-9, 1-L-10). Study 7-11 and 7-19.
AND in 6-C-A-2 The Orbiting Clubhead does not seek out the Ball – it seeks out the Delivery Line

The direction of an object on the end of a rotating string will exit at 90 degrees to its radius. And if that orbit is angled like the Inclined Plane that is OUT TO THE RIGHT!!!! This is why your clubhead has a HOOKED FACE!!! It is hooked to divert the force OUT TO RIGHT-FIELD back toward YOUR TARGET!!!





Your clubhead is just the weight at the end of the string . . . the string or the laws of physics don't care if the WEIGHT is hooked faced . . . you just have to TRUST the laws of physic and DON'T STEER the Clubhead to the TARGET LINE. Let the force go down and out into the ground outside of the flight path of the ball.

BUT YOU THE GOLFER MUST KEEP DRIVING DOWN AND OUT!!!! OUTSIDE THE LINE OF FLIGHT OF THE BALL!!!

Do what Mr. K told you DISMISS THE LINE OF FLIGHT OF THE BALL . . . your HOOKED CLUBFACE WILL GET THE BALL TO THE TARGET. You just take the LAG DOWN AND OUT!!!

Hall of Fame Post there 12 Piece!!!!

This is basically what I teach beginner's and hacker's every day.......

First I teach the beginner down, simple take a divot. Anywhere I don't care just take a big old divot, give the superintendent a reason to keep his job.

Good you got the divot, now take a targeted divot, I'm gonna put this tee in the ground and I want you to make a divot that starts at the tee and goes forward. When you take this divot the tee should move. (educating the hands to go down)

Great now you can take a divot at the start of the tee, that's great let's go to the bunker just to instill this further.....now I'm going to draw a line in the sand and I want you to take a divot from the line going forward.

Awesome now let's head back to the range after we rake this bunker.....O.K. now I'm going to put a ball on the tee that we were taking divots at earlier, but I don't want you to worry about the ball I want you to worry about making the tee move with a nice big targeted divot. Great now you see how high the ball goes when you're worried about hitting down, and you don't whiff it anymore.

Now that you've learned how to hit down....I want you to practice that for a week and come back and see me.

So 12 Piece then the student comes back hopefully if i've done my job correctly.....and what do I teach them, the flat left wrist of course.

I take them through a series of drills using an impact bag, dowel rod etc. to get the to see and feel the flat left wrist while still hitting down. Ahhhh now we're creating a G.O.L.F.er and not a gopher.

The student leaves that day hitting a lot of chips and pitches going to follow through and checking there flat left wrist. (Now we've educated the hands to go down and forward properly)

Now they have down and forward. It normally takes at least two more lessons of review and practice on different shots from the three foot putt to the three hundred yard normally slice :crybaby: at this point before I get to teaching out. That's just me personally.

However I do finally get to out....I have the student swing to right field and I teach them to love the block shot. We spend a lot of time tracing a dowel rod to right field with what???? While our divots of course, man that first lesson was important. Now these divot's may be a little exagerrated but boy are they effective.

And by the end of this lesson we've got student for life....a lynn blake member....and a golf nut's catologue disciple....

Why because it works and it get's results from beginner to pro. Now my way may not be the best way, but that's why I'm here I'm learning with each student I'm teaching and refining and refining, becuase one day it would be great to be teacher of the year like Fortnocks here.

Sorting Through the Instructors Textbook. :happy3:

B-Ray

Oh and by the way next up for this student I will be teaching hinge action to match with their selected motion either hitter or swinger....and then I will begin monitoring the components from there.

It is also important to note that this is one method I use within the context of The Golfing Machine, but it is not the only. Because Golfing Machine Instructor's should not be method teachers. This is just one way to teach down, forward, and then out.

By the way the down part works great to get a student to get the ball air born. I have yet to get a student who I could not get the ball air born with in 10 minutes, from 4 year olds to 80 year olds.

Sorting Through the Duffer's Bible (Not a duffer for much longer if your a student of the Machine)

B-Ray

I know I should know this, but could someone please explain the inside-out cut shot??? Never could quite figure out exactly what I'm supposed to be doing.

Drill
 

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Mr. Yoda wrote a very detailed description of this drill a couple of years ago. It should be in the archives.

In short... many people are unintentionally aimed to the right and trying to hit the ball straight(bent plane line). To help them see this, actually have them stay aimed right , but trace that plane line where they are actually pointing, and hit balls that take off straight down that plane, and curve right a little. Just little short shots are fine for this.

Once the player can do this, have him turn his machine square to the target, and trace his plane now doing the same. Once he can do this, he can then adjust his Hinge Action to make the ball go straight, or draw a little. MAKE SURE THE PLAYER MAINTAINS HIS BENT AND LEVEL RIGHT WRIST WHILE EXECUTING THESE SHOTS.

Why "steering"?
 

The question is why people tend to "steer" (the "effect")? I mean "the cause" of steering?

Because they want to "hack" the ball "long, far and straight".

Hi, I have a question regarding the cut shot therapy. I've just read Yodas great post in the archives regarding this but I am left with one single question that I would appreciate some help with.

When we move, or ensure that the stance line is out to the right, does the club face also point out to the right?

And when we move the machine back to the left to face the target, does the clubface point to the right or at the target line?

Thanks.

You really should continue to take your medication that your doctor subscribes- just because you think you don't need it isn't good enough.:naughty:

Oh Ya! Nice Post.

A big factor, that people often think they understand but don't really 'get', is that you are always looking at 'the' plane from ABOVE - and that shift in perspective has people trying to hit the back of the ball as if the plane were verticle to the ground, which of course, it is not.

Inside out cut shots get folks to 'feel' the plane as angled to the ground, and gets that right side/shoulder moving in a much better fashion - DOWNplane - the down, out and forward of a proper impact.

All of this to get that magical right forearm to come into impact properly and not too high, as in most cases.

'See' that right forearm and its motion as a spoke in a wheel and the right elbow staying on 'its' plane and the golf swing becomes a much simpler motion.

We don't need no stinkin' target line. . .
 

I think it is because they don't understand that THRUST is crossline meaning across/outside the flight path of the ball. They try to pull it back toward the green rather than DOWNPLANE . . .

That is why inside out cut shot is the therapy for steering . . . because you learn to DISMISS the target line. Even if you have to swing 45 degrees out to the right. Screw the freakin target line . . . that's for the clubFACE not the clubHEAD.

It's in the head
 

People tend to "steer" less (or even don't) when there is no ball to be hacked.

As long as it's hacking, it's still gonna be an "inside-out-cutting hack shot".

Find the "cause", which is in the head, and fix it.

What does "hacking" mean?

Had to change doctors Micheal . . . You keep chopping all my doctor's heads off. Can you please stop so I that I may re-calibrate. Thank you very much!

Thats a very concise and really helpful note. I will print them and hangit on my wall next to my wife !:laughing9

What really really helped me to practice is to rehearse the impact alignments against an impact bag, to rid of common "ilusions", cut shot theraphy , also to get rid of ilusions, look look feel look, and monitoring of the pressure points. From Slicer to Hooker ... !

Besides this, what are good practice Drills for say a Swinger? Save me some monies for lessons :happy3:

Hacking the Ball
 

'Hacking' means hitting at the Ball (rather than swinging through the Ball). It is characterized by swinging from the Wrists, Over-Acceleration and Quitting. In other words, Clubhead Throwaway with its Bent Left Wrist and Flat Right Wrist Syndrome.

The Action is commonplace and may be seen daily on Golf Courses and Practice Tees throughout the world.

It produces only Hackers.

You Hacker!!!!!!!!
 

I teach a guy with the last name Hacker! :laughing1
Boy, does he catch he77! Try calling for a tee time, calling to schedule a lesson, etc., with that last name.

A kid with the last name shanks was one of the best junior golfers in the state, go figure!

Thank you very much, Yoda.

Nose in Book
 

Boss . . . back to the book that be yellow . . . would we be talking the 2nd Snare?

Quitting -- Steering's Enabling Henchman
 

Yes. Quitting (3-F-7-B) is the enabling action of Steering, the First Snare (3-F-7-A). It diverts the Clubhead from its true, Down Plane Orbit -- across the Impact Plane Line and toward the parallel Low Point Plane Line -- and Steers it down the Target Line instead. The result -- geometric disaster with its real-world consequences -- belies its innocent origin, i.e., the logical and well-meaning advice to "swing the clubhead toward the Target".

The cure is to swing the Club all the way Down Plane through Impact to Low Point (3-F-7-E). And this requires taking the Clubhead and the Hands into Impact (7-3). It is axiomatic that you cannot do this if the Hands Quit. Even after Low Point, the Thrust continues Down Plane as the Bent Right Arm straightens toward the Plane Line --not toward the Target! -- and into the Full Extension of Both Arms in the Follow-Through (1-L-#15).

Great post 12 pc. You're very right about the fact that this info is not common knowledge, even to decent players, is is truly the difference between hacking and G.O.L.F.ing.

Something that has always puzzled me since first learning about these principles is this:

If the plane line is parallel to the target line then what kind of dimensions are we speaking of when discussing across, or out?

Notwithstanding the variances for club length and arc length, there ought to be a known value (ball-park) for how far out past the target line the clubhead travels.


CW

Outwards is the direction where your feet are pointing (90 degrees to the plane line). When mixed with the downwards direction in the downstroke you get the resultant direction of going forward. The plane line co-ordinates these directions.

Fog rolling in........
 

Now I am getting confused. I thought that we were supposed to trace the straight plane line with the #3PP.

When I practice with flashlights I trace the plane line. This line for me is parallel to my stance line. I direct my thrust along this line, which is usually straight at my target.

Now I read that the right arm straightens toward the plane line and not the target line. Can't those lines ever be the same?

I was under the impression that they could be. So it could be possible to trace the Plane Line and Target Line all at once because they are the same.

Show me the light.

You always 'swing along' the plane line - you don't always 'swing along' the target line. You only 'swing along' the target line if the plane line and target line are for all intents and purposes, the same...

I understand where out is, just not how much. I know I probably won't get it but I was looking for a value say 1/2" - 3/4" from target line.

Way off base??
 

I could be way of base here, but since the hands only move a total of 6" to 10" "in" from startup to end or finish, and rise approx 24" (a guess here), there is a lot more 'down' than 'out' motion with the hands. I personnally do not feel any 'out' motion with the hands. The 'out' motion is with the clubhead as it moves thru the release pattern (from parallel to the ground thru low point.

Bruce

2-c-1#1
 

This sketch represents (among other things) the "out" that is referred to throughout this thread and others. With a ball dia. of 1.38" I guess the out in this case to be around 1/2" or so.

The reason that I bring it up is that I have trouble with the term "out". I tend to get hosel-rockets when I think of "out".

"Out" takes care of itself with a straight plane line, maybe its a term more for those still heavily steering?

CW

If you are a Hitter employing the Angle of Approach it doesn't have to be "EXACT" . . . Just go OUT there. The clubFACE will do its bidding. You just go OUT. . . .I don't matter all that much How Much or How Little. Your clubFACE will get the ball streaking toward your target.

The clubFACE is the master of this deal . . . the selected crossline(right field) amount is slave to the clubFACE being Square at Separation. It the amount of OUT cannot override the fact that the ball leaves the clubFACE at 90 degrees at separation. So you Angle of Approace DELIVERY LINE OF THE clubHEAD goes OUT . . . How much out is really insignificant . . . you just go out inorder to override CF . . . the clubFACE will do its work in making the ball go at your target.

But what if you're a swinger?

THRUST is still and always Cross-line . . . . but you can trace the Plane Line with your Right Forearm and get the same effect.

You lost me,,,

If the plane and target lines are parallel, how (or why) does one thrust across? Forgive me, but my nut just won't accept this idea,,,

CW

2-N-0 CLUBHEAD LINE OF FLIGHT The line of flight of the Clubhead and the Line of Flight of the ball are not the same but touch momentarily during Impact. The one has a vertical plane of action, the other an Inclined Plane. This involves the Angles of Approach (2-J-3) established by the Left-Shoulder-to-Ball relationship of the Lever Assemblies 1-L-11. This line cuts diagonally across the face of the Inclined Plane and passes through both the Impact Point and the Low Point. These points also locate parallel Plane Lines passing through them – that is, the Impact Plane Line and the Low Point Plane Line, each of which must use the “Sweet Spot” Plane (2-F). Herein, “Plane Line” means the Impact Plane Line and “Low Point” means Low Point Plane Line.

Normally, Delivery “THRUST” is “Cross Line” – Delivery “MOTION” is “On Line”. Even at Low Point, because Delivery Path Angle (direction) is ALWAYS the alternate Target Line (7-2-3) even with Circle Delivery Path (1-L-9, 1-L-10). Study 7-11 and 7-19.

If the Ball is back of Low Point then you must take the Lag all the way DOWN and OUT to low point. Remember clubhead lag has no release point so you continue driving DOWNPLANE until both arms straight. For the swinger CF is the DRIVE or Thrust.

Even using Tracing a Straight Plane Line you will see the clubhead move in an Arc . . . So from your vantage point you want to see the clubhead CROSS your Target Line to get Down and out to Low Point. Otherwise you could get the clubhead going toward the green resulting in Steering and its Bent Left Wrist.

Thanks 12, for the comprehensive reply.

This is the heart of the matter for me-again assuming a square/square set-up. I just cant understand how a variation from plane line to target line of aprox. 1/2" (my guesstimate) can be observed from the golfers vantage point as a discernable cross line motion. I visualize a clubhead that traces the plane line exactly and the "out" occurs only as a by-product of ball behind low point and the angle of the inclined plane.

CW

The Delivery Path of the Hands is inscribed on the face of the Plane. Try this out. Get one of them strectchie band thingies. Hold it in your grip with a club with it coming out of your right forefinger. Have a buddy step on the other end of it about where the ball or your aiming point would be. Take the club back up and in to the top. Now look at the band from your vantage point. It will look to you cross-line.

Or it least it does to me. . . . but if you got the down and OUT part then you can just Trace the Plane Line with your forearm. You got options.