MAx trigger delay and short game
 

Many of the great ball strikers achieved max distance from relatively small stature/ slim build by using snap release and max trigger delay.

Think of Hogan, Sergio and CHIII. Hogan was reknowned for his wedge play but how many of the modern day "lag-meisters" are known for wedge play / short game?

Dave Pelzs research did seem to demonstrate that the players with best full swings often did not have best game between 30-100 yards. Is that because they were used to loading too much lag pressure and snap release? Is a sweep release a better option for subtle distance control? NB. I know that anything is possible but the fact that the guys with big lag have generally poorer pitching games suggests that it might be a challenge to become an accomplished wedge player using their lag-dominant techniques( Nicklaus was notably poor pitcher by comparison with his overall ballstriking)?

Thanks for any comments?

very intriguing questions . . .

As far as Nicklaus is concerned I think his relatively poor pitching had a lot to do with how upright his technique was.

Jack's Short Game
 

Jack Nicklaus's lack of a short game is greatly overexaggerated...in his early 40's he turned to Phil Rodgers for help in this area of his game which by his own admission (& high standards) was not the strongest part of his game because he had rarely needed it prior to this point of his career. I would love to know what his GIR were over the course of his career...a stat that I could not find...but I would imagine was remarkable...I don't think he missed many greens during the peak of his career. As far as putting ...he didn't miss very many when they counted.

I found this which I thought was pretty cool.
http://nicklaus.com/nicklaus_facts/facts.pdf

Look at it the other way round...
 

Who are the best with wedges.... are they random sweepers? I don't know ... just thinking at moment...

Let's start off making a list of the best wedge players . . .

Tom Watson
Tom Kite
Corey Pavin
Seve Ballesteros
Hubert Green

Trevino
Hogan
Annika

Olazabal
Garcia

Venturi too...


All have a very solid pivot motion/knee motion in common, even on short chips.

Controling distance with the hands and chest staying in synch, not with only arm swing.

I think Phil Mickelson and Tiger Woods are pretty solid wedgeplayers, but I guess that's obvious.

From about a 100 yds or so... HIT

Short gamers may prefer a Hit Stroke with at least hands at Impact Postion. With a short take back, there may be least time to set the Flying Wedges. From Impact Position they are set to go. With a driving right arm and pivot, I get a "no release' release feel.

It is important to know what the hands are doing. Will they roll back to square or will the pivot square the face? If you hit the hostel too often, you are failing to pivot.

Inside 100yds Billy Maxwell was absolutely one of the best.... If I had to vote all time.. I'd pick 1)Maxwell, 2)Trevino with a bunch of tied for 3rd's....including Gay Brewer who wasn't mentioned.

Now pls 6b tell me if you mispelt "hit the hostel too often" but actually u mean hosel ,meaning one is shanking? I would be interested in the subject
as it happens to me when hitting (especially short irons).
Thank you

ouch- yes I meant to write HOSEL, as in HOSEL ROCKET. But if you do hit the HOSTEL too often, it might be a shank. Or a hook. I just hate writing the S word or the Y word.

If your small chips are hitting off the HOSEL, you are leading the Hosel into impact. You turned the clubface away from the ball and did NOT roll or Swivel it back into Impact. Or you have No Pivot to roll the face sqaure. Lag the sweet spot not the HOSEL. Watson learned from Nelson his short game and have a very active pivot with his chips and pitches.

Even a Hitter with a clubface that does not turn- still employs a small pivot. The shoulders are the link between the turn and the thrust.

Thanks a lot 6b,
that helps ,even though I didn't mean little chip shots but HITTING full motion shots with short irons (SW-PW,9-8 irons),more rarely with longer clubs.

Regards

If the stroke for the shot has the time to use a Max trigger snap release- go for it. Float Load, pivot and release.


If you are hitting the hosel on full shots with short irons (but not on long)- you might be doing one of the snares, steering or stopping the shot causing the hosel to replace the clubface. Fear of hitting it too long???

The uncocking and roll with a Max Trigger requires a very small pulley. I solved a bad right side leak last year by re-establishing my rhythm with a sweep release.

I know this is not the right section of the forum,but as you mentioned hosel shots here,I posted here.
I'm referring to HITTING procedure . As I said,I'm HITTING . Do I have to think of unkocking and roll with max trigger? (do u swing o hit? I guess the first).
Could be that I'm steering unconsciously. As for fear of hitting it too long,are u joking?On the contrary.
I was blaming an exaggerated cross-line delivery path too much to the outside
for my shanking. What do you think?

Thanks

I do not think of a Max trigger with a Hit Stroke and Drive Loading since all accumulators are released at the same instant but it can be done- I never have come across it. This is why I assumed you were Swinging. Cross Line delivery is from the inside to the right. Hopefully a Hitter will be able to help more. Good Luck.

Are you joking? The thought of hitting (small h) the shot too long was in reference to the target – where you want to land it on the green- not your big strong muscles to crush the ball. Many golfers fear over shooting their target and will subconsciously brake by slowing down the hands and clubhead and destroying their rhythm.

Ok 6b.
That clears the matter.
Thank you anyway for your help.