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mp33 07-26-2007 10:12 AM

Faulty Pivot
 
I have videotaped my swing and have found I have a faulty pivot.I am dead on plane with a beautiful looking flat wrist at the top.On the downswing I don't turn my hips at all and I think this is what has lead me to hit the ball short and right.
Would plane line tracing help this? Like I said I am really on plane at the top so I know I'm close.My hips don't move and the club moves around my body on the downswing because my body is in the way.Major downswing blackout.

What should I do?

6bmike 07-26-2007 10:58 AM

Learn to shift the hips to begin the down swing. Then turn them. 90% of poor swings I see at workshops come from students that don't allow the right hip to turn. It is like they have a parachute attached to it and it drags itself in the way.

Train the pivot, I know some hate hearing this, but the Hip Action leads the the Hands.

Drill- Start Down Waggles. It is the cure for blackout in the down swing.

mp33 07-26-2007 01:03 PM

Any videos on the site on how to do this ?

12 piece bucket 07-26-2007 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mp33 (Post 44402)
I have videotaped my swing and have found I have a faulty pivot.I am dead on plane with a beautiful looking flat wrist at the top.On the downswing I don't turn my hips at all and I think this is what has lead me to hit the ball short and right.
Would plane line tracing help this? Like I said I am really on plane at the top so I know I'm close.My hips don't move and the club moves around my body on the downswing because my body is in the way.Major downswing blackout.

What should I do?

I would say you need to feel as if you are using the ground with your feets. If you are not "swinging from the feet" you radius ends at the nearest non-lagging component to the club. So assuming that you are maintaining yoru flat left wrist your radius is probably ending somewhere around your hips.

You need to feel your motion happen underneath you. Look at the thread on the McDonald drills. You want your Pivot to have Lag too. Pivot Lag like Lag Pressure is NOT released. It just "dissipates." And any amount of Lag in the Pivot is Lag. So you don't necessarily have to work it hard you just need each component pulling the next starting from the feet to the knees to the hips to shoulder to the arms to the wrists to the pressure points to the club. That is maximum radius. So kinda feel like your feet are pulling your hips and your right shoulder downplane. Feel it from the ground up. Key word being GROUND. Learn to "load" Pivot Lag much like Lag Pressure. See what your MAX is and then back off a lil' bit and lil' bit and lil' bit more. I think you'll find that you don't need to work it that hard you just need to create the lag and stay in front of it.

This has much to do with the Transfer of Momentum that Mr. K speaks of. If Mike O were to come over to your crizzo and chop of your arms and weigh them. Then weigh the rest of you . . . the rest of you would way way out weigh your arms and club. So think of yourself spinning on one of them stools at the ice cream joint . . . if you extend your arms you don't slow down too much. But if you extend your legs your rate of rotation slows down.

So hears the deal for the Swinger . . . you start your relatively MASSIVE Body (pivot) in relation to the power package. You drag that sucker down plane starting with the ground, all the while aming the lag pressure you just loaded in your pressure points at the plane line. You EXTEND your Lever Assembly by Uncocking #2 and that's all it is EXTENDING. So with the start down you have a little short radius that you can WHIP around and get accelerating quickly. Once you've achieved that Hand Speed you extend the radius and the CLUBHEAD SPEED increases Geometrically because it is THE LAW. All you have to do is just STAY AHEAD OF IT. JUST KEEP TURNING. You don't need a huge amount of effort because your body mass is HUGE. If you work the pivot to hard you'll just bust up your alignments. Effort is just working against conflicting alignments. You don't need effort in Swinging because LAW is better. USE THE LAW. And to get the max amount of mechanical advantage start from the ground up.

mp33 07-26-2007 02:32 PM

I did a search but can't find the McDonald drills.Can you point me in the right direction?

12 piece bucket 07-26-2007 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mp33 (Post 44421)
I did a search but can't find the McDonald drills.Can you point me in the right direction?


http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=4435

Here you go boss!

SECGolf 07-26-2007 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mp33 (Post 44402)
I have videotaped my swing and have found I have a faulty pivot.I am dead on plane with a beautiful looking flat wrist at the top.On the downswing I don't turn my hips at all and I think this is what has lead me to hit the ball short and right.
Would plane line tracing help this? Like I said I am really on plane at the top so I know I'm close.My hips don't move and the club moves around my body on the downswing because my body is in the way.Major downswing blackout.

What should I do?

On the downswing I don't turn my hips at all.....
GOOD! INITIALLY, that's the last thing in the world you'd want to see.
INITIALLY, you should see the right hip SLIDE (clear, get out of the way, make room for the right elbow). Immediate turning would create a HIP ROADBLOCK.

Would plane line tracing help this?...Yes, without a doubt. If you go to top, the right hip will be FORCED to do something so you can indeed trace a straight plane line. That something is SLIDE. If the hip does not get out of the way you can't trace a straight plane line. If the hip GETS MORE in the way by turning, you won't be able to trace a straight plane line.

And there are no reasons above not to independently train the pivot. Why would you want to place such a restriction on your learning?

Not clearing the hip causes throw away , resulting clubhead lag pressure loss.
So monitor the fact that you maintain clubhead lag pressure.

Uppndownn 07-26-2007 04:15 PM

Hip, hip
 
"If the hip does not get out of the way you can't trace a straight plane line. If the hip GETS MORE in the way by turning, you won't be able to trace a straight plane line."

Very well said. Great summation, and easy to understand.
Thank you. :salut:

UPP in overcast Ohio

davel 07-26-2007 06:48 PM

Here is a video for a drill to work on this problem. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnQ6RHepJgk

Dave



Quote:

Originally Posted by mp33 (Post 44402)
I have videotaped my swing and have found I have a faulty pivot.I am dead on plane with a beautiful looking flat wrist at the top.On the downswing I don't turn my hips at all and I think this is what has lead me to hit the ball short and right.
Would plane line tracing help this? Like I said I am really on plane at the top so I know I'm close.My hips don't move and the club moves around my body on the downswing because my body is in the way.Major downswing blackout.

What should I do?


dkerby 07-27-2007 11:34 AM

Dragging the right hip
 
One reason for dragging the right hip is due to the right foot being
placed to far to the right at address. The wider the stance the
harder to rotate the hips.

mp33 07-27-2007 01:04 PM

I appreciate all the pointers! :salut:

This not moving the hips does cause throwaway and downswing blackout big time.
I have found that video on youtube and also a piece by Brian Manzella.

Thanks

Mike O 07-27-2007 04:49 PM

Mp33
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mp33 (Post 44443)
I appreciate all the pointers! :salut:

This not moving the hips does cause throwaway and downswing blackout big time.
I have found that video on youtube and also a piece by Brian Manzella.

Thanks

[Qoute] 12 Piece Bucket "Mike O were to come over to your crizzo and chop of your arms and weigh them. Then weigh the rest of you . . . the rest of you would way way out weigh your arms and club. So think of yourself spinning on one of them stools at the ice cream joint . . . if you extend your arms you don't slow down too much. But if you extend your legs your rate of rotation slows down."[/QUOTE]

MP33,
Bucket left me some garbled message regarding you needing help with your swing. He said you needed to shorten your radius for better downswing acceleration. What's your home address? Probably take me a 1/2 hour to take care of that swing problem- assuming you've got 220 electrical outlets. I'll bring the gas powered machine if I have to - just more difficult to haul around.

6bmike 07-27-2007 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dkerby (Post 44442)
One reason for dragging the right hip is due to the right foot being
placed to far to the right at address. The wider the stance the
harder to rotate the hips.


And some, simply don't turn it.

12 piece bucket 07-27-2007 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 44444)
[Qoute] 12 Piece Bucket "Mike O were to come over to your crizzo and chop of your arms and weigh them. Then weigh the rest of you . . . the rest of you would way way out weigh your arms and club. So think of yourself spinning on one of them stools at the ice cream joint . . . if you extend your arms you don't slow down too much. But if you extend your legs your rate of rotation slows down."[/QUOTE]

MP33,
Bucket left me some garbled message regarding you needing help with your swing. He said you needed to shorten your radius for better downswing acceleration. What's your home address? Probably take me a 1/2 hour to take care of that swing problem- assuming you've got 220 electrical outlets. I'll bring the gas powered machine if I have to - just more difficult to haul around.


The left arm is a piece of rope . . .

nuke99 07-27-2007 09:57 PM

bucket.. since when you got amputated and replaced your left arm with a rope? You sacrifice too much for the game of golf and TGM !

12 piece bucket 07-27-2007 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nuke99 (Post 44454)
bucket.. since when you got amputated and replaced your left arm with a rope? You sacrifice too much for the game of golf and TGM !

Mine is actually a big ole strand of sausages . . .

nuke99 07-27-2007 10:16 PM

Then may I advise to stay away from any dog.

It will be a big loss to LBG and I would dreadfully miss you.

Mike O 07-27-2007 11:51 PM

Nuje
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nuke99 (Post 44456)
Then may I advise to stay away from any dog.

It will be a big loss to LBG and I would dreadfully miss you.

NUKE- Are you going undercover or have you traded sides!? Remember why we are training the dogs? Get ready - we're leaving in 12 hours! Troops - It's time to move! Wait a minute- hold on- the Vick thing has forced us to put back our whole time line - lost some dogs, etc. I don't want to get into details! NUKE- wait near the phone for your call- until then work on that left swivel fo shizzle.

Just when we think we're going to order "take out chicken" ;) that lucky son of gun- somehow gets a break!

Mike O 07-27-2007 11:53 PM

Bagger
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 44452)
The left arm is a piece of rope . . .

Bagger,
He's taunting me! I want this to be reviewed by the board. Grounds for termination of his membership.

NO I DON"T NEED MY MEDICATION NURSE! GET OUT!

Mike O 07-27-2007 11:54 PM

Dreaming
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 44455)
Mine is actually a big ole strand of sausages . . .

Dreaming again? You've got a lot of the Freud stuff going on- you should really see someone!

nuke99 07-28-2007 01:14 AM

but MIKE... we might be actually doing him a favor if we use the dog on him. End his painful and lengthy life, constantly toturing himself with TGM and Physics ! I will miss seeing him in pain !

Mike O 07-28-2007 02:22 AM

Good Point!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nuke99 (Post 44465)
but MIKE... we might be actually doing him a favor if we use the dog on him. End his painful and lengthy life, constantly toturing himself with TGM and Physics ! I will miss seeing him in pain !

Good Point! Nuke- We'll need to reconsider. So you're saying torture him- I like it!

mp33 07-30-2007 10:44 AM

MP33,
Bucket left me some garbled message regarding you needing help with your swing. He said you needed to shorten your radius for better downswing acceleration. What's your home address? Probably take me a 1/2 hour to take care of that swing problem- assuming you've got 220 electrical outlets. I'll bring the gas powered machine if I have to - just more difficult to haul around.
[/quote]

Mike,
Thanks for the offer but I'm going to try to work this out on my own ! I do have a neighbor that lights fireworks off late at night and doesn't keep his yard up very well that could really use your services.LOL.

12 piece bucket 07-30-2007 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mp33 (Post 44531)
MP33,
Bucket left me some garbled message regarding you needing help with your swing. He said you needed to shorten your radius for better downswing acceleration. What's your home address? Probably take me a 1/2 hour to take care of that swing problem- assuming you've got 220 electrical outlets. I'll bring the gas powered machine if I have to - just more difficult to haul around.

Mike,
Thanks for the offer but I'm going to try to work this out on my own ! I do have a neighbor that lights fireworks off late at night and doesn't keep his yard up very well that could really use your services.LOL.[/quote]

Oh I know that dude! You should see his "collection" . . . . it'll grow hair on your tongue.


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