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Trig 03-04-2005 09:20 AM

Hogan Video up!
 
Our membership comes through again! Check out the Hogan video in the gallery:

http://lynnblakegolf.com/Gallery.htm

Uppndownn 03-04-2005 09:57 AM

Nice Hogan Clip
 
Short and sweet!
Thank you. =D>

Mike O 03-04-2005 11:11 AM

Hogan Video
 
Don't like the upward movement immediately after impact through the follow-through. Probably a little throwaway. If you were to work on his game today- that's the area that sticks out in my mind and where I would concentrate on, at least on this clip. Could have been just this swing or that week that he was swinging that way, maybe wasn't swining it his best or could have just been his basic movement that he dealt with.
Mike O.

6bmike 03-04-2005 11:11 AM

I have more Hogan vids if you like. Some nice Els vids too including one with Appleby in the background with what looks like a nice FRT.

MizunoJoe 03-04-2005 12:06 PM

Here's a link to the same sequence which doesn't require waiting for a connection and also replays itself.

http://www.megspace.com/sports/moeto...ide_clip2.html

Golfie McG 03-04-2005 03:10 PM

Re: Hogan Video
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike O
Don't like the upward movement immediately after impact through the follow-through. Probably a little throwaway. If you were to work on his game today- that's the area that sticks out in my mind and where I would concentrate on, at least on this clip. Could have been just this swing or that week that he was swinging that way, maybe wasn't swining it his best or could have just been his basic movement that he dealt with.
Mike O.

Mike,

Change this swing? I think there are two factors that should be considered before that.

I think that he’s just going for the smallest pulley possible. Stretching the left side. Shortening the radius.

Second IMO the differential in clubhead speed, pre-impact and post-impact, causes a near instantaneous change in the effective weight pulling on the left shoulder. Pre – impact the shoulder muscles are resisting a force (ever so briefly) in excess of 100lbs. After impact the dynamic weight of the much slower club is significantly less and the muscles pull the shoulder up and back.

Golfie

Trig 03-04-2005 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6bmike
I have more Hogan vids if you like. Some nice Els vids too including one with Appleby in the background with what looks like a nice FRT.

Thanks for this one!

If you have others we can post those too. Just email me at:

admin@lynnblakegolf.com

ChrisNZ 03-07-2005 04:12 AM

That truly is poetry in motion. I could watch that swing over and over (in fact I have watched it over and over!)

Don't know about the rising left side. Has anyone read the Miura (I think that's the spelling) article on parametric acceleration in the golf swing. His research suggested that acceleration could be added to a swing through a motion directly opposite to the direction of the centrifugal force during the release stage of the swing. In fact, he said that this was the only way acceleration could be added at this stage. Maybe that's the rising left side we see in Hogan?

Anyway, aesthetically, that Hogan swing does it for me!

MizunoJoe 03-07-2005 09:46 AM

"acceleration could be added to a swing through a motion directly opposite to the direction of the centrifugal force during the release stage of the swing."

That sounds like the idea of lifting the handle through Impact. With Extensor Action, this will effectively give a manual uncocking of the Left Wrist by leveraging the shaft againt PP #1 or #3. This will slow the shaft rather than accelerate it.

BerntR 03-07-2005 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisNZ
That truly is poetry in motion. I could watch that swing over and over (in fact I have watched it over and over!)

His research suggested that acceleration could be added to a swing through a motion directly opposite to the direction of the centrifugal force during the release stage of the swing. In fact, he said that this was the only way acceleration could be added at this stage. Maybe that's the rising left side we see in Hogan?

Inspired by your comment I just did a little rotation experiment with a domestic pendulum device (my daughter's passifier with a string attached). And the only way to increase the rpm is to pull it in (more or less exactly) the opposite direction.

It would be interesting to see a more accurate mechanical description of this process.

Best regards,

Bernt

Golfie McG 03-07-2005 07:07 PM

Description
 
Not that scientific but its also know as shortening the radius. You will be moving the centre of gyration of the club closer to the center of the movement.

Golfie

BerntR 03-07-2005 07:18 PM

Out with the passifier againg .... (out of the drawer that is)

Yes, that's correct. The radius decreases while the speed increases.

Bernt

ChrisNZ 03-07-2005 07:58 PM

The other interesting thing in Miura's article (by the way, it was in a journal called Sports Engineering), was that his study of better golfers, showed that the club did NOT trace the expected arc at the bottom of the swing. (Not wanting to raise any trouble here!). Instead, the club was pulled inside the expected arc, creating (Miura claimed) a flat spot in the swing. It can thus be assumed, that Miura at least, felt that a pull against the direction of centrifugal force (shortneing of radius?) improved both power (acceleration through impact and therefore compression I guess) and accuracy.

What I find interesting about this is I have stood behind good golfers, and watched them swing with what looked to my eye like an outside to inside action. The only thing was, their supposed 'cut shots' started straight and either stayed straight or drew (they were NOT pull hooks), plus they went far. Could this be the parametric acceleration motion Miura described?

Theodan 03-08-2005 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisNZ
The other interesting thing in Miura's article (by the way, it was in a journal called Sports Engineering), was that his study of better golfers, showed that the club did NOT trace the expected arc at the bottom of the swing. (Not wanting to raise any trouble here!). Instead, the club was pulled inside the expected arc, creating (Miura claimed) a flat spot in the swing. It can thus be assumed, that Miura at least, felt that a pull against the direction of centrifugal force (shortneing of radius?) improved both power (acceleration through impact and therefore compression I guess) and accuracy.

What I find interesting about this is I have stood behind good golfers, and watched them swing with what looked to my eye like an outside to inside action. The only thing was, their supposed 'cut shots' started straight and either stayed straight or drew (they were NOT pull hooks), plus they went far. Could this be the parametric acceleration motion Miura described?

Due to some scar tissue in my left shoulder and tendonitis in my arm, I had a tendency to pull my left arm in quickly to my left side. (Keep in mind this was a left-side-body-drag-the-arms swing at the time). I drove a Master PGA Instructor nuts with the ability to start the ball right of target and draw it in. To me it felt like the ball should just go way right. Even though I was slightly chickenwinging and had lousy follow-through.

Neither of us was the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to physics, but we watched it frame-by-frame. The only reason we came up with as to why it didn't totally/immediately kill the speed, was the same reason a spinning iceskater goes faster as they pull their arms in.

Needless to say, it also included a host of malcompensations and timing issues. If a golfer included an intentional radius shortening in their swing repertoire, I would think it would be tough to manage. It totally hosed me until I got it into my head to extend the left arm properly through.

Charlie

peppers 03-19-2005 03:34 AM

Makes sense to me

ChrisNZ :"acceleration could be added to a swing through a motion directly opposite to the direction of the centrifugal force during the release stage of the swing."

Mizuno Joe :That sounds like the idea of lifting the handle through Impact. With Extensor Action, this will effectively give a manual uncocking of the Left Wrist by leveraging the shaft againt PP #1 or #3. This will slow the shaft rather than accelerate it.

It is like a yo-yo that I swung above my head as a child - the direction of the force was always opposite the motion of the yo-yo.
Also: the handle does get lifted by the pivot as impact apporaches. It also very subtly goes backwards. I learned this as going from shallow to steep. It is cool to monitor this action through pp1 and 3. The hands can know what to do and signal this to the pivot.
Question:
I can' get the hogan movie to run on my mac. suggestions? ChrisNZ - where did you get hold of that article? On theweb?
peppers


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