HOMEMADE - “The Smart Stick” co-inventor Martin Hall
 

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Wow
 

Very nice job. I have an actual smart stick, and it looks like you have done a great job of replicating with your home made model.

RatherBeGolfing, you are incredible!

I bet you could sell quite a few of those for $80/apiece on here

During a golf round, A wise man said to a member of my foursome.
 

"Any one can own a camera like that! But, not every one can hit a ball like that!"
"Do you know what your problem is?"
"Thats the problem!" "You do not know what your problem is!"

mrodock, you know this wise man!

We could make them, but most would not know how to use them. :crybaby:

:golfcart:

Martin Hall is NOT a co-inventor of this product. A student of his- a local guy to me in south jersey invented this product while a student of Hall's in FLA. Martin backed him with some money and his name fore the info commericals but had nothing to do with the design or function. The secret of this product is in the green lasers that are more costly than the cheaper red lights. This allows the laser to be seen in day light. google green laser lights and check out the cost and superior quality.

If you really do Lynn's dowel drills- you will not need this product.

IT MUST HAVE BEEN A TYPE ERROR BY REED EXHIBITIONS :naughty:

This was copied from Reed Exhibitions, for the 2008 PGA Golf Merchandise show.
http://www.appcluster09.com/app/home...56&Exid=609513

Smart Stick Golf
Booth : 2179
Company Description
The Smart Stick was co-invented by one of golf's premier instructors, Martin Hall, ranked #12 of all teachers by Golf Digest. This unique training aid utilizes two green lasers and an innovative wrist bar that teach the three P's of the golf swing: plane, power and precision, invaluable for both student and instructor. The Smart Stick provides instantaneous feedback from the duel green lasers to show that your swing is on plane. Whether you are in your home, or outside at the practice range even in the brightest of sunlight, the Smart Stick will provide the "light," for the first time, to make your practice perfect. Come and see for yourself why PGA and Champions Tour professionals are already using the Smart Stick.

Additional Information
Representatives: President: Tom Paul; Partner: Pete Albert; Director, Sales and Marketing: Nate Gans; Co-Inventor: Martin Hall
Brands: The Smart Stick, The Smart Putter, The Smart Wall

No- I'm sure Martin is getting credit since some of the money is his, but I know Tom Paul who made it. He was a student of Hall's. Hall's name lends some creditablity to the product that a known nobody couldn't. The stick was manufactored and brough to a class to show Martin that he was practicing to stay on plane and stop that nasty OTT.

Martin Hall is CO-Inventor of the Smart Stick. I have had the opportunity to develop a nice relationship with Yoda and spent a day with the team at the Barclay's event where we showed the Smart Stick. I was a student of Martin's and was shown a very crude device that incorporated green lasers. I took his idea and expanded the concept into the current device. All should know that Martin has just been named PGA Teacher of Year of 2009.

"The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers." -Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)

Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.

Thomas Jefferson


"All I know is just what I read in the papers."

Rogers, Will


"A good newspaper is a nation talking to itself."

Miller, Arthur


So tell me, what do you do for a living?

Was this post written to me, Tom or to Martin? You sound like a jilted (true) inventor. No need to take me to court, besides you will be too busy being the king of laser trainers- a concept you first developed I guess. Besides I thought Mike Austin invented everything. I was very impressed with Tom Paul and his Smart Stick. The GREEN lasers are a major improvement over the red lights (or mag lights). If I were to buy a training aid not found at Home Depot- the Smart Stick would be it regardless of yours. Tracing the straight plane line is all I need to know- I monitor my hands.

Who said otherwise? Its not about the right to voice an opinion but the respect you have with your voice.

We all learn from each other
 

John,

You both copied from me. Before your pure swing i used a walking cane and flashlights and got the same results.:naughty:

The point is these ideas have been around long before all of us began playing golf. I applaud both you and Tom for refining them and bringing them to market.

Don't try to beat um' join um' and we'll all help people play better golf.

Hunter

On fgi you called LBG members a bunch of star war freaks when some had more machine knowledge then you. Now you single out individuals. Tom is a stand up guy- knows a lot about the golf stroke and a pleasure to be with. I'd buy his any product he develops- not yours. btw- everyone that came into the teaching center loved his smart stick and enjoyed talking WITH him.

I think you better get your quotes correct. I have never said that. It is a lie and you should remove from the thread. As for my knowledge on TGM you don't know how much I have so that is another lie.

I know what I read- You were a Manzella guy at the time- that was one of the things he called us.

If Manzella called you that you need to take it up with him.

I've used both devices and met both inventors. As for the two products, they have a similar goal (on plane motion), but different ways of getting there.

They are both quality products.

The Pure Swing will give you the feels of both plane and swivel. It shows the swivel feel (and fanning) far better than similar products. A 'full motion' feel device.

Where the Pure Swing is a 'feel' device, the Smart Stick is a visual device, it will show you where you are on plane/off plane. Useful for 'slow motion' building of feel.

Similar results, different paths of getting there. Both worth checking out.

EdZ, Thanks for easing the tension on this thread.

I was privileged to be given two flashlights, joined end to end by a two way ferrule, by my mate Golfguru.

Since we are exhorted to swing, and monitor, the hands this arrangement, which loosely replicates a golf club grip, is ideal for the purpose of tracing the plane line. And, it costs bugger all!

Thanks Guru!:salut:

I lashed two flashlights together with duct tape - works perfectly well.

Are you out of your Mind?
 

John,

With all due respect, enough is enough!!! You doubt that Rob Noel got the same results? So do I because I doubt you could get the same results as a teacher of his caliber.

I have bit my cyber toungue long enough about your posts. I was about to post once before because I did not know who you were then you finally posted your name. Out of respect to you, your G.S.E.M. classification and because I have met you at the show I refrained from posting because I thought you might come around. My fault!!

There may be other sites where "bashing" is permitted but as for me I do not care for it. If you were a true "inventor" and "business-man" you may consider operating your own website where you can sell your products and pay homage to Mike Austin as you see appropriate. However, it should not be done here.

I appreciate Lynn for all he has given us for free and all of the help and support he has given me. I enjoy being a part of this site and choose to contribute in those areas where I feel I can make a contribution, club-fitting, playing, videos with Lynn. I do not post much because I chooese to read and then jump in when I feel it is needed. You have forced my hand to the keypad!!

Tom came to the Barclay's with his Smartstick and I truly enjoyed meeting him and learning about this training aid as well as others he was working on. He was a sponge for knowlege, not only how to make his inventions better, but also how to make himself better. He was very humble and complimentary of yours and other inventions.

The problem arises when someone like yourself feels that you have been slighted in some way because someone has more "marketing" money behind them and you invented something first or whatever. If there is a patent infringement then hire an attorney and prove your case in court. If you win I will appologize, but I do not think you have a case. I have used your pureswing and it is very good but nothing like the Smartstick. in fact, I am not a very tall person and I have a hard time hitting shots with the pureswing. I would give you suggestions on how to make it better but you obviously have ALL the answers.

I was one of the first people to comment negatively on this site about the smartstick and its cost, I was wrong and even posted as much. Most training aids are good for some applications but not all. The market will decide if a product costs to much not you or I can do this. I applaud Tom and Martin for making money on such a simple concept with such broad applications. Martin Hall has a terrific reputation as a teacher so his endorsement is worth money. Butch, Ledbetter, Rick Smith, and all of the other "popular" teachers get paid for there endorsements which will obviously drive up the cost.

I suggest you either hire a "name" instructor to promote your products or do a better job of marketing them yourself. Either way I do not care. Please do not be bitter for the success of others or anyone who has a different opinion than yours. Debate is a healthy thing, just like competition. There is nothing better than walking to the tee knowing you can beat your opponent. However, when you don't it is great to know that you can walk into the bar and enjoy a beer with him knowing that you gave it your all and toasting his success.

I wish you success.

Jeff

Hmmm I am now very curious about the factions within the TGM Church in the USA . I call it a Church since it seems like a division of religion over there.
Can it be that a lot of you feel that there is the good ole inferiority complex surfacing its head?
Who is on who's side over there? Can i get a list?:laughing9

This is not directed towards 6bmike or anyone in particular

One thing from reading extensively i have noticed is that Lynn Blake does NOT rag on anyone . So maybe MR Blake does not have the inferiority complex raging that as humans we all have a predisposition too.

Bottom line is he probably knows what the F... he is talking about

Lynn, of course knows the book better than anyone. It is not a secret that Lynn and BM went their own ways a couple of months after a workshop at Woodmont CC, but it was not over interpretation of the book. I have not signed on to BMs site since that workshop so I have no idea what he teaches these days but friendship and civility counts for a lot. Many on here post on both sites and count BM as a friend- I have no problem with that. He just ain't my cup of tea anymore. Ironically, Katarina hit the same time as Woodmont- I hope all of New Orleans and gulf coast is spared from the two 'canes approaching this time.

Righto that explains it somewhat.

Puerhitter/John with the new 3d trainer you got coming out can you hit balls with it?

I have made many changes and have added new swing trainers to what I call the Smart Golf System so that there is a model you hit balls with and one you don't with all of the swing trainers I offer.

I also make different clubs with the hittable swing trainers including a driver and different putters. Rover Golf is changing to Smart Golf System and I will have all the swing trainers of the smart golf system at the 2009 PGA show in Orlando.

John: What you fail to disclose to all who read your post is that the Smart Stick has two very expensive green lasers that can be seen outside in the brightest of sunlight on the greenest of grass. In addition the laser diode has a life span of 4000-5000 hours of on time which is a lifetime for a person using the Smart Stick 10-15 minutes per day. The Smart Stick also allows the teachers of the world and and the players of the world to use the Stick during a lesson, on the range prior to playing or just in the course of normal practice at the range. I will challenge you and anyone else to do this with mini mag flashlights. The Smart Stick has allowed the teachers of the world to simplify the swing plane to their students. When a student uses the Smart Stick they get instant feedback as to the path of the club and path of the hands. In the end this is helping students to eliminate sidespin. When they are on plane with a square club face at impact the result is straight shots. Another advantage of the Smart Stick is it fits right into your golf bag and is always available. Living in a world of technologial advancements I do not see why you would use flashlights tied onto or taped onto something that you cannot use outside where the game of golf is played. I appreciate the support of the people who have posted and actually seen and used the Smart Stick

Monitor your Hands Johnny boy not the clubface or green dot. The tracing allows the hands to 'roll ' on line properly without employing inferior position golf. I remember being one of the early posters about the smart stick after seeing a prototype in a bag of an instructor at a golf course I play at in NJ. I can't remember Tom coming on here to sell his product in the same vain as you do. I don't know how he got to Barclay but he was a perfect fit working with Hull, Noel, Castner, Fort, and EdZ. Maybe you should take a lesson in marketing from him. Lynn once handed out a small laser that you pinched with pp#3 finger to traced the plane line- in fact you can just point at it and run back and forth to train your right forearm tracing- cheaper still.

Over and Out.

monitor you hands- forget the clubface, - the hands are boss (and right in front of you)

John,

If you knew how the Smartstick worked you would not sound so Ignorant!! The verticle bar represents the clubface and allows the player yet another visual tool to enhance learning the proper release sequence. When I used it at the Barclays and explained the purpose of the arm PEOPLE GOT IT.

Like I said before, people will pay for what they want and the market, not you or I, will set the price. I do not care if you feel the need to support it or not, just quit sounding like an arrogant, bitter man.

I have been a Golf Professional for almost 20 years and I have followed some simple rules. One of them is that there are plenty of quality products in our industry so I choose to do business with people I like and respect. Unfortunately you have chosen to act in such a way that violates this rule. I know you do not care if I support your products or not so it is probably no big loss that I choose not to.

It seems that you have alot of free time on your hands, might I suggest some online classes on Sales and Marketing. You might see that your products are worth more than you think and you could actually make more money. If you choose not to then at least stop making LBG your own personal website. I can see why you were banned from another site and would personally not care if it happened here. Opinions are welcome, constant berating will not be tolerated. Learn from Tom Smart who praises other inventions publicly.

Jeff

John: I think Jeff is right you have way to much time on your hands. You are abviously a bitter man. For the record I want all who read this to know that nobody has been paid to endorse the Smart Stick. Any of the persons you see listed on our site have given me permission to use their name without any compensation because they believe in the product and clearly see the the great benefits of use. At some point to sell to the masses a player endorsement will become critical. This is no secret and goes beyond golf training products. In our business there is no better example as to the power of endorsement than the Medicus product line. Does anyone think that without the Tour Players behind the product it would have been a successful product. The Medicus is now in its 14th year and still going strong. Another example is the Speed Stick. Prior to VJ endorsing the product it sold very little and as Dane Wiren from Golf Around The World told me they could not keep it in stock after the VJ endorsement. This is simple marketing and at some point going forward all products need horespower endorsement and even this is no guarantee to success. I hope that you sell millions of your new trainer going forward as it sounds like a great idea. Our experience has showed that the lasers cannot stand up to be smashed into a golf ball and then the ground. Martin and I did test lasers in a club over the winter without long term reliablity of the lasers being able to absorb impact forces.

Tom,

You are right about the endorsements and I am working on products for Medicus. They are interested in the 3-D laser swing trainer as well. Here is where I am coming from. I left the music business at the age of 30 and invested the money I made so I could retire at 40. I turned 40 and after a few years of retirement I decided to start teaching part time and started Rover Golf as well.

Ten years later and I am working full time again with Rover Golf and not doing many lessons. I have decided in 2009 to go back to the original plan of part time teaching. I started Golf Academy Live.Com for lessons and shows about the golf swing and it will be my outlet for lessons.

I am selling Rover Golf and some of the swing trainers and starting The Smart Golf System which will have a few swing trainers for my instruction. I decided many years ago not to go the infomercial route but it is something you might want to do.

I have heard that you are working with Lynn to sell your Smart Stick on his forum, so to respect his forum I will no longer post about the Smart Stick and ask the moderator of Lynn’s forum to remove the post I wrote about it.

Right on! You can use all the dowels and sticks but it just isn't the same feel as monitoring the sweetspot (#3) with a real club in your hands. I am probably one of the all time best laser plane line pointers but unfortunately there is so much more to a good strike then simply pointing a laser at the plane line.

First Things First
 

Understood, mb, and I agree. But, first . . .

You must learn to Swing the Hands! Only then should you add the Club "to develop its TOTAL equivalent in Lag Pressure Point Feel" (Homer Kelley / 5-0).

Fortunately, a wide variety of training aids exists to bridge the gap between Swinging the Hands and Swinging the Club. And that is exactly the way we attacked the problem with all the 'Left Wrist Benders' at The Barclays.

:salut: