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BurleyGolf 06-29-2009 06:28 PM

Right Arm Trainer R.A.T.
 
Sorry just took it off while trademark is going through, I will put it back after I get my number.

Yoda 06-29-2009 08:17 PM

Round and Round We Go
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BurleyGolf (Post 65657)

. . . it promotes the club to go left after impact . . .

Thanks, Burley.

I first used surgical tubing to demonstrate both Extensor Action and the Delivery Path of Thrust at my 'comeback' school at the PGA TOUR Academy in May 2004. I am delighted to see that you and others are now thinking along these lines.

Now for one picky (but very important) point, which I make only because of the extreme emphasis much modern instruction places on 'going left'. I daily proclaim that the very essence of the Golf Stroke is rotation and its resultant circular motion of the Clubhead. However . . .

The Inclined Plane of Motion (and its Baseline) must also be respected. The orbiting Clubhead 'goes left' only after Low Point (and not before). Since a normal 'Up Plane' Ball Location demands that Impact precede Low Point, then the Clubhead (in its circular orbit) must continue to move right AFTER Impact (before it moves left AFTER Low Point). Otherwise, there can only be an 'under' Plane Stroke.

In my experience, most handicap golfers have no problem with 'going left' after Impact. In fact, they are so good at 'going left' that they do it from the Top and through the Start Down, Downstroke and Release.

And that is the very reason they remain high handicappers.

:salut:

BurleyGolf 06-29-2009 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 65659)

Thanks, Burley.

I first used surgical tubing to demonstrate both Extensor Action and the Delivery Path of Thrust at my 'comeback' school at the PGA TOUR Academy in May 2004. I am delighted to see that you and others are now thinking along these lines.

Now for one picky (but very important) point, which I make only because of the extreme emphasis much modern instruction places on 'going left'. I daily proclaim that the very essence of the Golf Stroke is rotation and its resultant circular motion of the Clubhead. However . . .

The Inclined Plane of Motion (and its Baseline) must also be respected. The orbiting Clubhead 'goes left' only after Low Point (and not before). Since a normal 'Up Plane' Ball Location demands that Impact precede Low Point, then the Clubhead (in its circular orbit) must continue to move right AFTER Impact (before it moves left AFTER Low Point). Otherwise, there can only be an 'under' Plane Stroke.

In my experience, most handicap golfers have no problem with 'going left' after Impact. In fact, they are so good at 'going left' that they do it from the Top and through the Start Down, Downstroke and Release.

And that is the very reason they remain high handicappers.

:salut:

Lynn, Thanks if it were not for great minds like your self younger teachers like myself would be guessing. I know where to give thanks, and that would be people like yourself.

I totaly agree with your thoughts about the club going left after low point, and might should have explain it better so not to confuse others, but Excitement sometimes hinders my writting or thinking..LoL

:happy3:
BurleyGolf-

KOC 06-29-2009 09:38 PM

...The right arm return to the exact same spot at impact as to address?

BurleyGolf 06-29-2009 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KOC (Post 65663)
...The right arm return to the exact same spot at impact as to address?

Well, its just a training aid..I can't handle the pressure..LoL


No, the resistance of the tube plays like an arm track or tracer and promotes bring the arm back on the same path. I am still playing around with it and will try and shot some video so everyone can prove me wrong and make fun of my swing....LoL I just thought it was a good idea and have been playing around with it since I made it, I could be totaly wrong? Seems to give me that feel though.

BurleyGolf-

KOC 06-29-2009 10:31 PM

haha...that is what I want to see it in action. Please shoot a video and youtube it. I think no one will make fun of your swing, every passionated teacher should be respected.

Yoda 06-29-2009 10:52 PM

Two and Tango
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KOC (Post 65663)
...The right arm return to the exact same spot at impact as to address?

Substitute Fix for Address, and I think we've resolved the two viewpoints.

:golfcart2:

BurleyGolf 06-29-2009 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 65668)
Substitute Fix for Address, and I think we've resolved the two viewpoints.

:golfcart2:



Deal...LoL

Yoda 06-29-2009 11:22 PM

Rainbow's End
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BurleyGolf (Post 65662)

Lynn, Thanks if it were not for great minds like yourself younger teachers like myself would be guessing.

A great mind? Naah . . .

An average mind applied?

I'll take that.

Bottom line: Had it not been for Homer Kelley and his tireless pursuit of mechanical and kinesthetic truth, I, too, would have been left guessing.

Now there is no longer the need to guess.

There is only the need to learn.

:salut:

KOC 06-30-2009 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 65668)
Substitute Fix for Address, and I think we've resolved the two viewpoints.

:golfcart2:

Quote:

Originally Posted by BurleyGolf (Post 65669)
Deal...LoL

Objection! (How dare I am...) That will be quite ungolf like if I start from here



...which indeed require my golfing machine in "swinging" mode and pasting through this alignment.

KevCarter 06-30-2009 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 65659)
Thanks, Burley.

I first used surgical tubing to demonstrate both Extensor Action and the Delivery Path of Thrust at my 'comeback' school at the PGA TOUR Academy in May 2004. I am delighted to see that you and others are now thinking along these lines.

Now for one picky (but very important) point, which I make only because of the extreme emphasis much modern instruction places on 'going left'. I daily proclaim that the very essence of the Golf Stroke is rotation and its resultant circular motion of the Clubhead. However . . .

The Inclined Plane of Motion (and its Baseline) must also be respected. The orbiting Clubhead 'goes left' only after Low Point (and not before). Since a normal 'Up Plane' Ball Location demands that Impact precede Low Point, then the Clubhead (in its circular orbit) must continue to move right AFTER Impact (before it moves left AFTER Low Point). Otherwise, there can only be an 'under' Plane Stroke.

In my experience, most handicap golfers have no problem with 'going left' after Impact. In fact, they are so good at 'going left' that they do it from the Top and through the Start Down, Downstroke and Release.

And that is the very reason they remain high handicappers.

:salut:

This post should be a sticky, I believe it's HUGE!

Thank you Yoda.

Kevin

BurleyGolf 07-01-2009 01:37 AM

I could not get out today to shoot some video, will get it tomorrow even if I have to do it in my living room. This weather in Texas is crazy!!! It is as hot right now in June as it was last August 2008, I don't even want to think how hot August is going to be. I think it was 99 degrees in the shade today! I was going to the range around 6pm but it has rained in the late afternoon 3days in a row now. Hot and then Hot and steamy :naughty:

okie 07-01-2009 07:54 AM

The Incomparable Lynn Blake
 
There ain't nothing average about an applied mind! I tell kids all the time the idea is to blur the line between innate talent and effort to the point that success cannot be attributed to either factor alone! You sir...it is plain to see are a "curiosity vituoso" kinda like that other fella...Homer someoneoranother! One of things I love about your style Yoda is that serendipitous look of awe you have on your face when you explain...say the flying wedges...for perhaps the 100,000th time and appear as though you are a young Newton having just been beaned with a deciduous projectile! There can be no real learning without a sense of wonderment...Mark 10:15

BurleyGolf 07-01-2009 10:19 PM

Okay here is the R.A.T. Right Arm Trainer...Enjoy!

KOC 07-02-2009 02:16 AM

Hi Burley,

I also posted this video a month ago...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stTqbnCEQgI&NR=1

Though a little bit difference, I think that is something to help to remind/restrict the right elbow location.

Yet, I still don't deal with the right arm address = impact alignment...because you are not showing that to me...haha



Nice swing!

BurleyGolf 07-02-2009 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KOC (Post 65722)
Hi Burley,

I also posted this video a month ago...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stTqbnCEQgI&NR=1

Though a little bit difference, I think that is something to help to remind/restrict the right elbow location.

Yet, I still don't deal with the right arm address = impact alignment...because you are not showing that to me...haha



Nice swing!


I'm to scared to put it on my right foot becasue it might slap me in the back of the head..LoL

I will try to shoot you a DTL, if I am reading correct above that is what you are asking, right?

Thanks, for the comment :golfing_banana:

GPStyles 07-02-2009 05:34 AM

I loved the clip Burley.

I have some tubing which potentially will allow me to do this drill, I'll try it out and get back to you.

KOC 07-02-2009 12:08 PM

Thanks Burley. One more question...I saw that you didn't take a divot in that clip, is that usual when you put on the device?

As Yoda said....low point missed or just not a good shot in the clip?

BurleyGolf 07-02-2009 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KOC (Post 65733)
Thanks Burley. One more question...I saw that you didn't take a divot in that clip, is that usual when you put on the device?

As Yoda said....low point missed or just not a good shot in the clip?

I don't take many divots, never been a big divot taker because of the hard pan, but when I get on course like Pebble, or up North I take sod.. Its probley just my swing, I really don't know if that was a good or bad swing because I was just showing how the device works and trying to look cool...LoL

birdie chance 07-02-2009 09:17 PM

Burley coiled and stretched
 
Burley nice swing
looks like you have a Hogan-esque lateral movement of your hips forward and over your left leg prior to the completion of your backswing?
Interesting thread
Birdie Chance

KOC 07-02-2009 09:41 PM

Sorry Burley...I am bad...so many questions :salut:



Hogan said something about a belt looping around the elbows in an articule titled "Learning Good Golf by Sense"...and nowadays we have many arm connection type training aids.

I also want to have a device that can make the swing became so easy to learn and perform...I will try one as per your design this week and feel it.

Thanks for your insight. :salut:

BurleyGolf 07-02-2009 11:33 PM

I hope you can add some more insight to it. I bet Yoda either already had something like this, or is making one to see if it has any merit to use.

I was just trying to be creative, nothing is going to help my swing unless I get that left knee and pivot under control. I sure do hit the ball good with it on though, wish it was legal on the course..haha! Glad so many people liked it, the R.A.T. is cheap to make and the idea is free to all, enjoy!.

BurleyGolf-

Yoda 07-03-2009 02:12 AM

Rubber Rats
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BurleyGolf (Post 65747)

I hope you can add some more insight to it. I bet Yoda either already had something like this, or is making one to see if it has any merit to use.

Naah . . . I just use a band of tubing to demonstrate the Straight Line Delivery Path of Thrust (Aiming Point / 6-E-2). I wrap the tube around the right hand (and the #3 Pressure Point / Right Index Finger) and then either stand (with my left foot) on the other end (not exactly the Aiming Point but students get the idea!) or anchor it under (a) the assisting student's foot (at the precise Aiming Point / Ball Location) or (b) under some similarly located heavy piece of equipment.

In the end, it's all to make a very big point:

The Right Arm -- always with the Pivot doing its job -- takes the Club Up Plane with a 'wind up' motion identical with throwing a ball. If you are an athlete who has thrown a million balls, you have a leg up. If not . . .

There is more to learn.

:golfcart2:

BurleyGolf 07-04-2009 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KOC (Post 65744)
Sorry Burley...I am bad...so many questions :salut:



Hogan said something about a belt looping around the elbows in an articule titled "Learning Good Golf by Sense"...and nowadays we have many arm connection type training aids.

I also want to have a device that can make the swing became so easy to learn and perform...I will try one as per your design this week and feel it.

Thanks for your insight. :salut:



Here you go KOC, I shot a DTL for everyone. Hope this helps you get a better view.



BurleyGolf-

Yoda 07-04-2009 10:55 PM

Hogan's Bound Arms . . . No Mas . . . For Once and For All . . . No Mas
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KOC (Post 65744)

Hogan said something about a belt looping around the elbows in an articule titled "Learning Good Golf by Sense"...and nowadays we have many arm connection type training aids.


Please, KOC, and with all due respect to the late Mr. Hogan . . . NO!

No constricting belts around the arms.

No constricting yarn entwining the arms.

No constricting towels under the arms.

All these inhibit the free Right Arm and Elbow Action on the Backstroke. We are, after all, 'winding up' to 'throw a ball'.

Instead, at Fix (and then at Address) align the Left Arm Flying Wedge and the Right Arm Flying Wedge at right angles to each other. [For newbies, please use the search function. There are countless posts on this subject. See the arm alignments in my avatar for the Accelerated Course. :smile:]

From Start Up, connect the 'wedges' with the 'glue' of Extensor Action. This is no big deal: simply let the free Right Arm tug the Left into the Backstoke.

Finally, understand Right Elbow action and its participation throughout the Stroke. It lifts and lowers the Left Arm as it Cocks and Uncocks the Left Wrist.

This is Zone 2:

Arms aligned to produce Clubhead Power and Force.

KOC 07-05-2009 11:09 AM

Thanks Yoda...I fully understood what you have been reminding us the elbow drawing in the 5 lessons book is not a real deal.



When the right elbow went too far apart from the left one or swung like the picture, the function of wrists would also be distorted...I think that's why Hogan addressed the issue.

dkerby 07-05-2009 12:28 PM

Belt Idea
 
Hogan's belt thing comes from the book, "I remember Ben Hogan"
Pages 151 & 152. Ben told Bob Waynne, at Shady Oaks, to take
his belt off, and tie it around just above the elbows and then
hit balls till your hands bleed. What Waynne said, "I went to
the range and then he (Mr. Hogan) explained the whold thing
to me like he was a physics teacher or something. My backswing
was too far, my elbows were flying, etc. He taught me from
that lesson that you have to keep your elbows close together.
It's hard to do, yeah, but once you realize you can do, it helps.
It cut down on my big looping backswing, so it made my clubhead
speed on the downswing faster and I kept my eye on the ball
better.

The above is for reference as to one of the places that the
belt idea came from.

BurleyGolf 07-08-2009 06:30 PM

I had to take the R.A.T. off, I applied for the patten and had my lawyer send in all the info and what ever money 2 days ago, and he told me to take it off. As soon as I get the patten back in a few weeks or longer I will put it back up.

Thanks,
BurleyGolf


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