10-5-E
 

With pure hitting using the 10-5-E crossline approach, would the hips be more square or even closed at impact fix compared to conventional methods? :?:

Does anybody out there use 10-5-E when hitting? It seems simple, but I don't hear anything to make me think anyone is using it. :?:

Body Alignment And The Delivery Line
 

Both Hitters and Swingers should align the Body 'comparatively squared away' (slightly turned) to their selected Delivery Line (10-8-A). Hitters using the Angle of Approach procedure should align their Hips and Shoulders slightly open to the Angle of Approach. Similarly, Swingers should align the Body slightly open to the Geometric Plane Line (2-J-3).

Dear Yoda,

Slightly open to the intended Delivery Line in hitting might make the hips appear almost square to the target line and the shoulders slightly closed right before impact. Just trying to grt visual clearance from a recent fogbank. Thanks in advance! :idea:

Re: Body Alignment And The Delivery Line
 

A reading from the book of Yoda....
Pardon the Gregorian chant...

The incubator has been working overtime and it is time for a few questions on pure Hitting. If one is using 10-5-E and Drive Loading down the angle of approach, should the clubface look slightly closed at the Top because it is square to the crossline angle of approach? If so would the paddle wheel method of constantly closing the clubface on the way down be compatible? :idea:

10-5-E
 

Absolutely, that's why the look of the clubface and clubshaft look a little out of place from the down the line view on my video. If the camera was positioned "on plane" with the angle of approach, I think you'd be suprised to see how "on plane" it really is. Additionally, the look of angled hinging will be the same.

Excellent! I now have a second question. Does the right shoulder continue moving downplane in three barrel hitting, or thrusting downplane in 4 barrel hitting until the right arm is straight? This drive loading all the way to the straight arms position is the only way I feel as though I am hitting to Bejing. Is it fair to say that nothing moves upward until extensor action completely straightens the right arm downplane to aiming point? :idea:

I'll wait til Ted answers myself,

but... The right arm doesn't straighten til after impact.

Watch:
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/Video/HittingSwinging.wmv (I’m sure you have many times)

Lynn shows that the right arm is still bent even past impact through the low point plane. A straight arm at impact is a power leak.

The Right shoulder is always on plane- Down, Out and Through- on plane. The left only response to the right shoulder’s action.

shoulder moving downplane
 

The shoulder in hitting has to become a platform. In 4 barrel hitting, the shoulder begins and takes up the momentum, and stops just as quickly as it starts. The only way that I was able to make this change was to do weeks of zero pivot hitting (coming from the swinging background that I'd been taught). I'd agree that nothing moves up until the end of follow-through (both arms straight - about two feet past the ball).
I feel as though my right forearm has to pass my body before I get to arrive at finish. If the right shoulder actively continues downplane the right arm can't catch up. It doesn't take much centrifugal force for the right arm to be draging instead of driving.

Thanks Yodasluke,

That makes sense to stop the right shoulder after it picks up momentum so that it can function as the back of the cannon from which the right arm can thrust downplane. Can you tell me about how far does the right shoulder move down the turned shoulder plane before it stops? Thanks in advance! :lol:

I believe the right shoulder thrusts until the right elbow gets on-plane, at which time the shoulder thrust stops and the right arm thrust takes over.

Thanks Matt! I have never considered that but I'll give it a try. If nothing else it should prevent overacceleration. :idea:

downplane shoulder
 

Make sure it's as short as possible, then make it shorter. The only way that I was able to get it was to use zero pivot for about two weeks. It's much harder to make it too short than to allow it to travel too far.

Re: downplane shoulder
 

Would it make sense to see where the right shoulder is at impact fix and move it to that point on the downswing and stop? :?:

Re: downplane shoulder
 

Sure...

Dear Ted,

How active is your left wrist when it goes from FLV at impact to flat uncocked and vertical at low point as you drive down to Bejing? :?:

uncocking left wrist
 

There was a time that I had to think about uncocking the left wrist, but it was only because I had been taught that lag was created by holding on for dear life. I had, originally, a bad concept. The drive loading should uncock the left wrist, but mine did not. I used basic motion to get the feel of the uncocking wrist. In my total motion I feel as if the golf club is telescoping away from my chest. I have a constant feeling of DOWN until the end of follow-through.

Re: uncocking left wrist
 

I think that there are a lot of people who have this "bad concept", myself included, in an effort to prevent throwaway. I think that it prevails because it makes almost logical sense ("If I hang on to that angle, then I won't throw it away!"). That's what makes quality instruction so important!

Re: uncocking left wrist
 

Ted,

Could you please give us a bit more on how you trained yourself to get to fully Uncocked? I think this is something that very few do or even know the importance of. FULL LEVER EXTENSION is where it's at. I'm still trying to get there, but it seems to take a lot of work and trust.

Please school us more.

Muchas!

Bucket

Re: downplane shoulder
 

Dear Ted,

Does the right shoulder stop thrusting or does it literally stop moving down the turned shoulder plane when the right arm starts extending? When I watch videos it seems that the right shoulder really never stops moving, but maybe it stops thrusting. Just need a little fog lifting :lol:

Re: uncocking left wrist
 

As Homer said, 'look, look, look.' Train it in a basic motion and look at the wrist. If the left wrist doesn't look uncocked, make it uncock and KEEP IT FLAT. Find that static position for which you're looking (the finish) which is follow-through for basic motion. Homer wouldn't even teach someone to make a total motion, if they couldn't achieve a chip with the proper components. Too many people try to grab the bull by the horns. Don't try new things in a total motion until they are mastered in a basic motion. There are bulls that when grabbed by the horns will slobber on you. Golf is one of those bulls.

Re: shoulder moving downplane
 

I feel as though my right forearm has to pass my body before I get to arrive at finish. If the right shoulder actively continues downplane the right arm can't catch up. It doesn't take much centrifugal force for the right arm to be draging instead of driving.[/quote]

If the right forearm passes the body to arrive at finish, is it fair to say that the pivot in hitting is not doing much yet? Are the hips still angled to right field while the right forearm crosses the chest? :?:

Re: shoulder moving downplane
 

If the right forearm passes the body to arrive at finish, is it fair to say that the pivot in hitting is not doing much yet? Are the hips still angled to right field while the right forearm crosses the chest? :?:[/quote]

The right hip does stayed cleared in the startdown, 10-14-B, slide. This might give the sensation that they stay that way until impact, but in reality they do not.

Do you feel as though the hips are performing "action" or just "motion?" Do you sense that they are supplying power or just playing a supportive roll? :?:

I was working on my hitting motion this week and found that when I focused on my hands swinging past my chin before I fired the hips, I could really 'snap' the hips and thrust the right arm from impact to separation.

Perhaps what some have called the 'launching pad', which for me was very much felt as left hip and right forearm synchronized power through impact.

When Hitting with 10-5-E using Angled Hinging would the clubface be closed to the crossline plane at the Top, since Angled Hinging has a "no roll" feel? If so does Extensor Action merely drive the shut clubface to Aiming Point? :?:

Re: downplane shoulder
 

I'd be really careful about finding a pre-selected point in the downstroke to stop the shoulder. You're going down the road of distracting yourself from your hands. Give your hands an assignment first. Then see if your body accomodates.

Is there is way to determine how much divergence there is between the target line and the Crossline plane of 10-5-E when using different club? It seems as though the farther back in the stance the ball is placed the more Crossline the Delivery line will be.:???:

It's 10:13 do you know where your Right Forearm is?
 

Oh yeah. Go to Fix. Make sure your Right Forearm is On Plane. Imagine a line PARALLEL to your On Plane Right Forearm on the ground through the ball. There is your Angle of Approach Clubhead Delivery Line approximation. Notice that if you put the ball farther back in your stance, that parallel line is more "out to right field." Also, the Delivery Line is not relative to your STANCE line it is relative to your Right Forearm.

Also, if your using an Arc of Approach procedure, just imagine an Arc between your Plane Line and the line parallel to your right forearm.

To me this huge because you can see the inside out impact required by swinging on an INCLINED PLANE.

Ed, trust me when i say you'll know if you are using the launching pad to the full effect when it happens.

It LITERALLY feels like someone pushed you in the right shoulder (backwards) going through impact.

how much crossline?
 

You are very correct.

Here's the way that I see in the visual of 10-5-E:

We all agree that the ball is moving up plane as you move it back in your stance. Also, the three dimensional path of the clubhead is one that appears to be inscribed on a horizontal plane (your eyes are above plane). So, the ball played back in the stance (up plane) is being struck well before low point. The opposite is true for a driver, as the ball is impacted very close to low point. So, the visual changes dramatically.

Now, take a SW and stand at address. Waggle (arms not hands) the club above the ball. Move the club from the ball to a point opposite the left shoulder. The clubhead should be covering a straight line to 'right field' (impact to low point). But, the same drill done with a 3 iron will have the club covering a very short line from impact to low point and will appear much less crossline.

For me, the feeling of left shoulder's location relative to the ball is the key. I keep the feeling of the club moving 'out' until it gets in-line with the left shoulder. So, 'out' with an up plane ball position is really 'out' and 'out' with a downplane ball position is 'out' a little. Keep the clubhead covering that straight line between impact and low point (a point opposite the left shoulder) and you'll be fine.

Great Post Yodasluke! But that poses a question in my mind. Does the 10-5-E Plane stay constant for each club, and the ball moves up-Plane or down-Plane depending on the club in hand?:???: