Taly for a hitter?
 

I was looking for Taly videos on Youtube and found this video. Is he talking about some form of hitting in this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwaYGeHBoaY

Thanks,
DK

(I found it is kinda funny when he said that golf instructors are not gonna like it.:) )

Interesting ideas. I LOVE my Taly, works great with Homer Kelley's hitting principles as well!

Kevin

Yes Hitting for sure. He's advocating a Push Basic type inline right arm extension which is "a" way, a good way in fact. BUT, best reserved for short shots. See the Minor Basic Strokes. For longer shots you need right arm Fanning as well as the Bending, without it you will miss the UP of Back ,Up and In , Three Dimensional takeaway. Leaving you with Back and In only. Normally an off plane, under plane motion for Pivot strokes.

So he is probably right about instructors not liking it too much and I doubt it would really would take 20 strokes off your score overnight. That would be nice though.

PS If you watch his swing, on his waggle he takes it back way under the plane, less so when actually hitting but he does have to loop it back onto the plane in his downswing to make contact. Basically it sounds simple , it is simple but you cant add a pivot to that right arm Motion without going to far IN as the right shoulder will pull things IN as well. If that works for full shots without looping it back onto the plane, then the whole idea of the plane for golf is out the window.

I do like the Tally though.

Jerry Kelly and Taly Magic
 

You're not the only one, O.B. Check these photos of Jerry Kelly http://www.pgatour.com/players/00/80/75/ from today at the Kapalua Golf Academy in Maui, Hawaii. And yes, Jerry is using Angled Hinging in perfect concert with his Hitting Stroke.

Jim Schuman -- the guy on the left in the blue shirt -- is the Men's Golf Coach at the University of Wisconsin and a long-time LBG friend and 'lurker'. He is also Jerry's swing coach (not to mention brother-in-law!). We connected this morning on the putting green at the Plantation Course prior to Jerry's practice round; then, later today at a special clinic held at Kapalua Golf Academy.

How special was it? First, there was Jerry's masterful presentation of golf's Black Art. Then, the 'refreshments' . . .

I gotta admit, this is the first Golf Clinic I've ever attended that closed with wine, cheese and heavy hors d'oeuvres.

:eyes:

[Guys, stay with the thumbnails for now. My preview is giving me gigantic photos. We've got some serious fix'in to do. For now, right-click Open Link and look at something more presentable. Ben . . . Help!]

sweeeeet!!!!

I hope you have shares in Tally Inc. Lynn, that thing could be the next hoola hoop.

Oh sure, as if I don't get myself into enough trouble with this stuff. Now they're going to get me for insider trading! :) :salut:

Kevin

Kev, I told you not to tell Martha Stewart to go heavy on Tally Inc.

I cannot recommend the Taly enough. I am usually not a fan of trainings aids because so few of them work. But the Taly works incredibly well. Unfortunately I got away from using it for the past 4 months or so and I'm going to get back to using it now.

The big thing about the Taly for me is that it provides visual help so the golfer can get into the right alignments instead of being a training aid that forceably puts the golfer in the right alignments through some type of restriction.




3JACK

Hey, just noticed your handicap has moved into the PLUS column. Congratulations on all the hard work you and Ted have done paying off!!!

Kevin

Way to go 3Jack.

The Tally is sort of like a dowel strapped to your left arm. The Left Arm Flying Wedge remains intact as long as the left wrist is flat or vice versa. Homer said that if you could maintain a flat left wrist and swing through the shot (instead of at the ball, impact not being a destination or a Station, let the motion make the shot, no steering etc) .......... you didnt need his yellow book! But alas its easier said than done for most of us, even a lot of good golfers.

And so it goes.

Thanks for the kind words, but I just haven't changed my handicap in my sig.

I was at a + handicap for pretty much the entire summer. Now I'm at a 0.4. But that includes 2 rounds playing with some old MacGregor 985 blades I got off of eBay that are difficult to hit (which is why I bought them, for practice), but I have fun hitting them nonetheless.

Plus, I haven't played in almost 3 weeks because the weather has been so bad. We even got snow today. :crybaby:




3JACK

I was thinking about buying Taly, but was unsure of its effectiveness. According to the posts in this threads, it seems Taly is a very good training device. Even 0.4 handicapper is using it. :) I guess I will buy it soon.

even pros
 

Even a scratch golfer like Jerry Kelley is using it:eyes:

Can anyone explain the purpose of sliding the ball on the Tally up or down?
(I'm sure I would be able to find out, but I'm lazy - ehh working)

The People At Plus
 

Jerry Kelly a 'scratch' golfer?

No way.

On any 'home course', he's at least a +6 and will eat the local champs alive. Remember . . .

These guys are good!

Really good.

:golf:

So true. Isnt Tiger a +9 at Isleworth? That is crazy low. I cant do the math but that makes his average score around 65 or so. AVERAGE!

I think that's an average score of 67. Isleworth is brutal, 143 slope, 76.8 index.



3JACK

Yoda is dead on here, because you best believe I am not going to play Jerry Kelly straight up because he's a 'scratch.' :) :golfcart:






3JACK

undskyld
 

men jeg kan jo ikke goere for at engelsk ikke er nationalsproget i Danmark. Her betegner vi en scratchgolfer som en der ikke har noget handicap = altså ligesom en pro.:naughty: Det var ikke ment som nogen nedladende bemærkning om Jerry Kelly's evner på en golfbane:golf: Han er garanteret +++ De gutter er jo umenneskeligt gode:laughing1

Anyway, noone answered my question about the purpose of sliding the ball on the Tally up or down?

haha,

nää, jag foerstaar vad du menar.....men har ni inte +hcp?

without sliding it out, the ball will hardly pass your hand and the visual benefit is lost.

jo jo vi har +hcp, men det er bare en talemåde........men amerikanerne tog det vel nærmest som en fornærmelse at jeg kaldte JK en scratchgolfer:laughing1

I guessed that....But what are benefits of sliding it half way out or all the way?
Is the ball on the Tally supposed to cover the targetline, or is it depending on what club you have in your hand....??

The main objective is if you have the Taly attached to your forearm correctly, you want to keep the red ball out in front clubhead. If the shafts cross, then you have flipped the hands. You can also use the red ball and 'run it over' the actual golf ball for some swing path help, but I don't really care to do that.




3JACK

Couple of things Im thinking about the TAly.

-the Taly reveals the Left Arm Flying Wedge alignment. The Plane of the Left Wrist cock which is broken by a bending left wrist. An unwanted Horizontal LEFT wrist Motion. Normally the result of "Steering" Golfs first snare, which itself is probably a product of a misconception about the physics of impact. But I digress.

-The left arm, given any Accumulator #3 Angle (club under the heal of the left hand as opposed to running down the life line as in putting , short chip shots) is not on the Inclined Plane and therefor doesnt point at the plane line. Like wise for the Taly if it is aligned such that it points down the left arm. Basically the Taly is an extension of the Left Arm.

-When the Taly's shaft comes into conflict with your clubs shaft , you have bent your left wrist and lost your Left Arm Flying Wedge.

-The correction for this conflict is to add a ROLLING flat Left Wrist. Which as Lynn so emphatically states in his masterpiece "Finish Swivel" movie, "will take you immediately to the next level". You book literalist types will notice the italicized, bolded "Rolling" as a reference to 12-3-0 pt 22. DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP. The only mission critical item in the entire MECHANICAL CHECKLIST FOR ALL STROKES which is in Bold and with the ROLL italicized for further emphasis by Homer Kelley. He was so emphatic as to make it the critical of criticals!

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/index.p...sh-Swivel.html

-Gentlemen the cure for a bending left wrist, is a Rolling left wrist. Try it out with Taly and see how it works for yourself. When you Roll you dont Bend and vice versa. Im thinking the physics and momentum are such that in the absence of the Roll the Left Wrist must Bend!!! Overtaking is going to happen after all unless you block, steer, hold it off entirely. The clubhead will pass the hands, must overtake the Hands for full power anyways. Learn to do it with a flat rolling left wrist and remove all steering and blocking motions from your action and the huge compression loss associated with them. Rolling, Horizontal Hinging has the least compression loss of any Hinge Action.

Maybe this is why Ben Doyle rolled the heck out his left wrist?

What do you guys think about all of this? Generally and from a Hitters perspective.

I agree 100%, and I wish I was capable of describing it as eloquently as you just did!

Thanks O.B.

Kevin

Rolling left wrist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UmW3qrSzzI

That left wrist arch is Homers "insurance". Insurance against a bending left wrist that is. Also I guess necessary 'cause of his super weak left hand grip given a bit of shaft lean on that iron shot he's doing. I dunno.

Thanks Kev. Im just sharing really and Im probably like a medical student maybe, ascribing to everything what I just learned or what's on my mind.

The only parts I personally invented or discovered were the things I got wrong maybe.

Though it seems like a journey of self discovery, in truth its a guided one, thanks to the good graces of some who have made this journey before us. People like Lynn, Ted , Jeff, Drew et all. Thats the way Homer thought people learned things best! The chick breaks its own way out of the shell in the hatchery.

What do you think about the apparent paradox of the hitter needing left wrist roll to avoid left wrist bending?

O.B.

I may be wrong, but I have not thought of it as a paradox at all. I think of it as mandatory if we want to comply with the plane after impact.

Per 4-D-O
Perhaps I am taking it a little out of context, but I have always been of the opinion this is in line with YODA's teaching, and I feel it is very apparent in his swing.

Sorry for posting this picture as a reference so often, but I enjoy it as my model. (I wish...)

Kevin

Thanks Kev

Not a bad action for a 600 year old guy eh? I have always looked at that sequence and wondered if that was his over swivel swing demonstration though? That second last photo looks a bit that way to my eye. How 'bout you?

Ive been thinking about the paradox thing and do agree with you that it isnt. In regard to rolling as the cure for bending and what the HItters take is on this given his usual Angled Hinge, Im thinking:

-Impact should always be executed as Hinge Action not a Swivel.
-Whether you are Angled Hinging or Horizontal Hinging the club face is actually in the process of closing (despite the no roll feel of Angled).
-I dont think 12-3-0 pt 22 DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP was intended for swingers only. Hitters must prepare to Roll too in other words.

And here is what Im noodling over/ working on these days:

-Even Hitters need a good pivot as a pivot stall will cause a flip and a pull for me which begets a hands manipulation to almost Vertical Hinging as a compensation. So Im turning and rolling despite the fact Im Hitting. Like a hitter with a Left ARm flail!! Weird. I normally dont do too well with left sided swing thoughts. This may be Homer's "sameness" or it may be my personal "insaneness". I dunno.

Any other hitters with a roll feel out there?

O.B.

Maybe you are just 4 barrel hitting like YODA!?!?!?

Kevin

Oh? So it is ok that I can't really hit my drive 300 yards?
 

:confused1

So when Mr. Williams says to just turn your body through his "non-arm, non-vertical, body only swing," does he really mean that or is he doing something else that his engineering training simply does not allow him to articulate without reference to a calculator or slide rule? Every gift has its limits and genius is notoriously short-winded. (Yes, that is why I ask so many dumb questions!):)

Would an off-line stroke help someone with a shorter front leg, perhaps?
 

:confused1

Since my front leg is 1.5" shorter? My first TGM lesson is April 4th, btw!

Am I correct in observing Mr. Blake making the slightest weight shift?
 

It looks like his lower body only serves the upper body turn to the hitting position. And then, most of the focus is on the down, out and through swing.

Is it supposed to be that simple-looking?:)

How ironic that the meticulous observations of Mr. Kelly are in the service of such a simple-looking motion. Now, if I can just imitate that motion!

As a teacher, I am reminded that artists in middle ages were employed by physicians to dig-up the dead, expose diseased organs by removing skin, and carefully sketch muscles, tissue, ligaments and diseased organs in order to create medical textbooks. All the while, the participants risked arrest and the wrath of the local church for desecration of the dead. :)

Hey there ict, welcome.

The only video of his Ive ever seen is the one right here in post 1, where he alludes to but doenst show a pure body power only shot, I think. If I understand your question correctly.

I've been waiting for a guy like you around here, Ict! You see, I mostly do stupid answers. We could really go places together, you and I!. Keep em coming.

Regards
Ob

PS I dont think Ive ever seen a body only powered full swing. My daughter when she was about 4 years old came the closest maybe. But even she raised that plastic club up some with her arms. Kind of. You could do it with a short shot. When putting its pretty common to move the shoulders only for instance. Chipping is maybe Arms only most times. Arnie used to use a Hands only putting style. If you have the book, read up on the Minor Basic Strokes and the Major Basic Strokes and there differences. His Taly is great but Id say he's attributing what we'd refer to as Minor Basic Strokes, (for short shots only) to full powered shots where Zone 1, (the Body) , Zone 2 ( Arms) and Zone 3 ( Hands) all get involved. Ah crap I was trying to keep this "short winded" and screwed up.

No.................

Yes..........

VERY, VERY entertaining!
 

:laughing9 :laughing9 :laughing9


We are supposed to get to 54 degrees in Philly this week. I am going to a range, put my right arm on plane, tilt slightly to my right, pretend I am Moe Norman or
or YODA, brace like a rock and hit the hell out of several buckets of balls!:golf:

I will use the smallest possible pivot then, when my right elbow is close to my right hip, I will fire my right arm or pull it making sure to let my left hand swivel horizontally and compress those dead balls like crazy! :eyes:


I will make mistakes and report!:salut:

Patrick