Basic Strokes and Loading and Hinge Action and Procedure
 

Although this video is makes a complex subject simple to understand there are some very subtle and fine points here to flesh out. Have a look at this . . . . I'd like to have a discussion of Elbow Postion's relation to Loading to selected Procedure (Hitting vs. Swinging) and the relationship of inherent Hinge Action.

This is a great video that illustrates the true depth of the Machine and the genius of Homer Kelley and the ability of Lynnard to communicate in an enthusiastic way simplifying the complex.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/index.p...e-Are-You.html

Questions . . . .

WHEN does the Right Forearm BEGIN to support the Secondary Lever? Is it only when the hands are taken past Top and the top of the Shaft Loads on the knuckle? Or can it earlier in the stroke?

How would you describe the Elbow Position's relation to the actuation of the #3 Accumulator for the two Major Basic Strokes (Pitch vs. Punch)?

#1. After the Start-up Swivel and when the Shaft Loads against the #3 PP.

#2:

What if there is no start up Swivel?

As soon as the clubhead is above the hands.

Before that, it is still structural support.

to the second question.....

It isn't as much the elbow position, as the direction the right forearm is pointing

Ideally the elbow, the tip of the right elbow, stays on the shaft plane.

the difference in elbow position, and hence the difference in right forearm 'in line' load, vs 'out of line' load, alters the rate of the #3 closing motion of the clubface - why swingers have more rotation than hitters

it is the reason that clubface control is via the left wrist, and not anywhere else, and is in zone 3

Could you expand on this line of thought please sir . . . .


Have a look at this . . . some of these elbow positions may be somewhat difficult to classify due to axis tilts . . . interesting pictures. don't necessarily agree with the analysis but pictures are worth a study.


http://www.aroundhawaii.com/lifestyl...se-styles.html

An interesting collection of photos.

As far as the direction the right forearm points - regardless of backswing elbow position, loading, release etc - the right arm will eventually straighten towards the plane line to both arms straight.

With pitch elbow, there must be rotation to allow the right forearm to straighten to the plane line with a squared clubface

with punch elbow, there would be less rotation, near straight line, less face rotation

All of which is 'around' or 'along' the line of the right elbow/forearm

The Shaft ain't loading the #3 Pressure Point until there's a Swivel.

I don't understand the second question. Would you rephrase please?

NO WAY MANG . . . loading don't require swivel . . .

REPHRASE:. . . . Does the Right Elbow Alignment REQUIRE a particular Hinge Motion assuming Rhythm has not been disturbed?

Good question.

It would be interesting to check whether Dustin Johnson rotates his pp#3. He arches his wrist from the top. Maybe that enables him to keep pp#3 orientation aft all the time. With a pitch elbow, the degree of cupping /arching could have a huge saying here.

Dustin Johnson actually sets up as Hogan prescribes in 5-Lessons . . . his elbows are WAAAAAAAY together . . . Pitchy at set up . . . His right wrist bends to an extend that that his left wrist is freakishly arched. He keeps that pitch deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep into the downswing the pitchy move obviously is a "face opening" move . . . so I wonder if that is a requirement to keep that face "open" . . . but that dude swings the club on plane basically from delivery thru as good as anyone. This is paraphased from the first 3 editions and later taken out . . . but the elbow plane was considered efficient due to the club moving at 90 degrees to the axis. Seems to be what Johnson does. But with that arch move he has to do something to keep the face from flashing so he "leads deep" into the downstroke. The hands path and club move beautiful.

All this aside from the fact that the dude can don't a ball barefooted with no running start . . . athlete.

Just reading this , been away for a while , they just let me out.

This is an interesting topic. Thanks Bucket.

D, that would imply there's no lag loading when you're putting , I think. Radial acceleration without any Longitudinal.

Im thinking that in terms of Loading, you've got different directions of Loading, which load the #3 at it's different locations. Radial along the aft of the shaft, longitudinal along the top. Which would be the knuckle vs the first joint IF you have a grip that is aligned with the knuckle on the Top of the shaft and the first joint on the AFt of the shaft. Otherwise you're loading against whatever it is you have aligned to the aft and/or top of the shaft. Like my cross handed buddy for instance ........he got lag but not in his right hand.

Remember also that its the lowest connection to the grip that defines the Longitudinal Centre Of Gravity , the Sweetspot Plane ........ My buddies lowest digit is his left index finger but Id imagine he feels lag on the inside of his left fingers ........and /or against the knuckle under his left hand thumb.......for any longitudinal acceleration from Top. But I dunno, it sort a looks like a bowl of speghetti or something.

Loading the Secondary Lever requires a Swivel. The Secondary Lever Simultaneously "Loads on the Plane of the Left Wrist Cock" while Maintaining the Geometry of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge and "Loads On-Plane" (Swing-Plane).

Your Second question is still a little fuzzy. Should my answer include every possible scenario including "Manipulating Hands Players" or "Standard-Inherent Only Hinging"?

Ok I'll agree with you there . . . I thought you were talking Loading "general" . . . witcha . . .

On number 2 . . . sure why not . . . include the whole dealie.

By "The Book":

So.......True "Drive-Out" produced by a Pure Punch Elbow Location (not the one O.b. Left executes), aligns the Right Forearm Wedge so that the Right Hand Rotates around its Axis Vertical to the Angled Plane.

True "Throw-out" produced by the Infallible and Artistically Applied Pitched Elbow Location (in Innercityteachers Dreams), Aligns the Right Forearm Wedge so that the Right Hand Rotates around its Axis Vertical to the Horizontal Plane.


"Off the Record":

"Grip it and Rip it". There is enough "Tolerance" that the Hands (educated) can override the Inherently produced Hinging of "Drive-Out" or "Throw-Out". Especially with Drive-Out on Flatter Planes, the Hitter is more able to produce Horizontal Hinging (especially longer Clubs); and Throw-Out on Steeper Planes, the Swinger is more able to produce Angled Hinging (especially with shorter Clubs). This is very good fortune, especially for the disadvantaged Hitter to aptly produce Horizontal Hinging for longer clubs so that he no longer is called a "short Smacker" or whatever term Ted calls them. :laughing9

"Disadvantaged hitter"? Those are fighting words.