squatting on the DS?
 

After reviewing countless pro swings on film it has become very apparent that almost all of them make an athletic "squatting" type move on the down swing. There heads lower anywhere from 2 to 4 inches.

So I tried this w/ my "drive load hitting pattern" yesterday along w/ the "hula" move while still trying to keep my head steady (even though it did lower a little) and began striking the ball more pure with a a boring trajectory. I always make this move when I play tennis or hockey but when I play golf Im almost afraid to squat and spring up for fear of moving my stable head or throwing off my on plane rt forearm. Its not a huge move, maybe one or two inches, but I like it and will continue to incorporate it.

Does TGM address this squating move in the yellow book at all? Do any of you guys making this type of move in the DS?

Is squating the downward motion part of bobbing?

some call it bobbing but I think that is when it real excessive, and when it involve moving way up out of your spine anlge. Kostis was ripping Tiger apart about his squat move, but when you look at footage Paul Casey, his own student, he makes this move too. (albeit not to the same extent as Tiger)

Hogan really lowered himself on the DS....Arnie as well

Let the big guns enter..8)

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Mr. K calls it Bobbing and its a "snare".:naughty:

A lowering of the head due to axis tilt is ok, IMO, provided you got some lag. Otherwise one might break a wrist plowing the club into the ground.

Somehow I don't think the game is riddled with 10 handicappers who have messed themselves up perfecting Tigers squat. Or Sneads.

Like I said I think Tigers squat maybe excessive, but there is no doubt that using the ground and "sitting" into your left side to some degree is A MOVE done by better golfers.

Day 2 of working on this move and Im still seeing better compression on the ball w/about a 2 yard fade. But this is golf :crybaby: , so talk to me in a month

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The non TGM golfers set up a little different to the ball, not having the right forearm on plane. That means that they have to get into a different alignment at impact. Maybe this gives a squat - which is not needed especially by a TGM hitter who addresses the ball at impact fix? :-k

good point, although I do see Stricker (based on Wayne DeFransesco's analysis) sit down and he does set up w/ his rt forearm on plane. Unsure about Brian G. He does make a move where he springs up with his legs through impact though. Ive heard this is a power creating move.

Interesting observation. If you look at a lot of these pro swings, they squat and their head drops on the downswing, but then they don't change their level through impact.

To me, the squat look of the legs feels more like a rotary torquing against the ground than an actual vertical squat.

Im thinking you are correct. Lets get out for a round soon Ben....

The squat is a move that enables you to lead with the hips for a long time and clear them aggressively. More important for swingers than for hitters I think.

I've been working on it because I want to figure out what I can do to delay the release. I look pathetic at impact but I feel like I can really step on the gas through the ball. I have been at two different launch monitors lately and the smash factor was excellent. Which means that I got a lot out of the somewhat limited clubhead speed that I produced. But with this pattern I am forced to start the release earlier than I'd like to so I want to try to save accumulator #2 a bit longer and find out if it pays off.

It would be a gross overstatement to say that I've figured it all out yet, but it seems like the squat enables you to lead with the hip and clear them early - like Snead or Hogan did. But to benefit from it you need to delay the shoulder turn. In other words keep the "x-factor" for very late in the down stroke. Clear the hips as early as possible but turn the shoulders as late as possible, basically.

It seems to me like the combination of squat, early hips and late shoulders makes it a lot easier to delay the release of all accumulators, basically.

Brian G is a hitter, and as far as I can see from the four videos that google gave me he doesn't squat and he doesn't clear the hips very well. He basically has zero lag between his hips and shoulders at impact and his feet are very passive. It looks powerless compared to a Hogan or a Snead - or a Rory or a Dustin for that matter. But since we know that Brian is a hitter we can assume that there is more force behind impact than meets the eye. And his impact efficiency (smash factor etc) is actually pretty decent.

Brian's release starts early. He isn't even close to delaying his release with the best of them. I bet this costs him a few mph in clubhead speed. But probably not as much as one might think since he is a hitter.

Little league, weddings, and some family stuff has been keeping me busier than I'd like, but I'd love to get out. PM or email me and we'll set it up.

Why would you want to "delay" accumulators? Is there a mechanical advantage to delaying? How do you do it? If one delays accumulators when does one begin to release them?

For the same reason as you would want a snap release.

If you've got the strength to back it up you can swing harder through the ball that way. Like switching to a higher gear I guess. Perhaps everybody can swing harder that way.

Do you have to be strong to have a snap release?

will do...

I don't know, Bucket. But perhaps you will benefit more from it if you're strong. The club gets a lot "heavier" when the pulley gets smaller. Maybe we should check whether Tiger used a snap release when he was 5?

this is what I noticed a huge majority of the pro's doing. Some had more open hips than others but most definately lowered them selves, using the ground for leverage on the DS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyUYXcl0PLY

While Im just a mere mortal and want as few plane shifts as possible (see Brian G.) I do love this guys swing...

I just had a lesson with Ben Doyle Monday. We spent a good amount of time working on "sitting and tilting" during the downswing.

Welcome. Tell us some more about this.:salut:

I haven't been playing golf long, but I leaned what I know from obseving TGM Internet forums and videos online. I finally decided that i was overdo for hands on instruction. I made the drive from San Fran to Monterey and spent an hour and a half with Ben. I passed many of his tests such as impact bag, tire drill, great wall of china. We spent a lot of time on my address routine and finish routine (hold and rest). We worked on getting my right elbow to drive more towards my belly button on my downswing (storing) on sitting at the sametime and creating more axis tilt. I'll be working on these thing for the next month and I hope to see him again soon.

I hope to supplement that instruction with this forum. Thanks for the welcome.

welcome :salut:

:shock:

This is a facade, scam, imposter. I killed Bucket and have photos - this is probably his widow posting.

The disturbing problem - who else would know his Freudian issues - such as above - and would be able to post such an emotional post based on the concept of maximum delay? Could it be that he was brought back to life - the return? For now my life goal will be the same until I gather more evidence.

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I think the "squat" provides necessary travel (lateral slide) for golfers who do not maintain the base of spine pointing at or near the golf ball at setup and/or during the back swing. If TGM places our right forearm on plane at address, doesn't this automatically preset spine angle ("reverse K") enabling us to set the base of spine very close to where it needs to be at impact (whether or not we choose to locate our golf ball where our base of spine finds itself is another question). If the axis of rotation remains fixed on the backswing, then downplane movement of the right shoulder on downswing should simply displace the base of spine closer to the target (increased spine tilt, and at or ahead of our golf ball (good bye fat shots). This limited lateral (and primarily rotational)movement probably does not look like a squat.

That is a valid and astute observation regarding the rt forearm being on plane. The little squat move I have incorporated is mainly just to add some torque from the ground for more compression, help me get to my left side, and to add some athleticism to my swing. Tracing plane lines is obviously critical, but in my search for percision I felt like my swing had become too static. So Im trying maintain the percision while also getting my lower body more into the act....