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O.B.Left 10-16-2010 06:29 PM

Did Homer "invent" Hinge Action?
 
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My contention is that what we call Hinge Action has been around for as long as golf has been played. That although Homer defined it , decoded its underlying geometry and contributed in a massive way to its application, he didnt invent per say.

Do any of you guys have any other non tgm references to something similar to Hinge Action? In particular Id be interested in pre Homer books.

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Here's Jack from "Golf My Way", 1974.

"The infinite variety of course and weather conditions encountered by the tournament golfer demands that he learn to "finesse" the ball, especially around the greens. Thus Ive gradually developed quite a variety of chipping techniques , two of them illustrated here. By swinging the clubface through the ball from open to closed (top drawing), I'm able to produce a low-flying, far-running kind of shot --a "hot" ball I call it. Reversing the process, I produce a higher-flying, softer landing chip shot--I think of it as a "dead" ball--by swinging the clubface through the ball from closed to open. Neither technique is beyond the reasonably skillful golfer who'll give some time to practicing these finesse shots."
He's pretty close, the top drawing looks like he'll it pull it left with that closed face at impact. The bottom one looks like a tiny push to the right. It lacks Homer's precision, the alignment to the three associated basic planes, he doesnt discuss Angled at all. Good stuff though, really good stuff. I wonder if Jack figured this out by himself or if Phil Rogers or Jackie Burke or someone else showed it to him? Got a feeling Yoda or Drew will know.

Id greatly appreciate some help finding these things, thanks.

O.B.

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BerntR 10-17-2010 08:22 AM

Think I've seen a similar discussion from JN where he says that Arnold Palmer goes from closed to open on full strokes, while he goes from open to closed. Perhaps that part is in Golf My Way too?

O.B.Left 10-17-2010 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BerntR (Post 77340)
Think I've seen a similar discussion from JN where he says that Arnold Palmer goes from closed to open on full strokes, while he goes from open to closed. Perhaps that part is in Golf My Way too?

Vertical for full strokes would have very big implications to power. Arnie drove the first green at Cherry Hills......I wonder if the perception of him being closed was really just his Hitters Angled with an adjustment to the face angle at Fix? Looking at the face angle at various points in the swing can be misleading sometimes. Ive read guys who dont like Moe's "closed" face at both arms straight for instance.........all I see is Horizontal HInging.

But I digress.

BerntR 10-17-2010 03:27 PM

I think the closed-to-open terminology that Jack and some other used was a sort-of-description of angled hinging with the layback tendency.

Daryl 10-17-2010 08:28 PM

Homer Kelley discovered Hinging as a way to control the Clubface Motion Alignment through the Impact Interval. 30 + years of serious research by a dedicated and enlightened man able to look beyond the knowledge of others. Someone should erect a Monument to Him.

Swiveling was invented by someone else. He should be awarded a "Set of Steak Knives".

innercityteacher 10-17-2010 11:53 PM

A Set Of "steak Knives."
 
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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 77362)
Homer Kelley discovered Hinging as a way to control the Clubface Motion Alignment through the Impact Interval. 30 + years of serious research by a dedicated and enlightened man able to look beyond the knowledge of others. Someone should erect a Monument to Him.

Swiveling was invented by someone else. He should be awarded a "Set of Steak Knives".


"Glengarry Glen Ross"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104348/ I'm thinking HK invented the distinction and clear-headed organization for those two components.

YBGF

O.B.Left 10-18-2010 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 77362)
Homer Kelley discovered Hinging as a way to control the Clubface Motion Alignment through the Impact Interval. 30 + years of serious research by a dedicated and enlightened man able to look beyond the knowledge of others. Someone should erect a Monument to Him.

Swiveling was invented by someone else. He should be awarded a "Set of Steak Knives".


"Discovered" or identified the whole deal I'd agree with. But there must have been some guys manipulating the face in the days of the gutta percha, no?

Yoda, tee'd it up with Mary Queen of Scots , James Braid, Bobby Jones , you name it........he'll know, he's six hundred years old after all. I see him in plus four's , horizontaling a "closed , closed" bump and run through the Valley Of Sin in a match against Vardon.

Daryl 10-18-2010 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 77373)
"Discovered" or identified the whole deal I'd agree with. But there must have been some guys manipulating the face in the days of the gutta percha, no?

Yoda, tee'd it up with Mary Queen of Scots , James Braid, Bobby Jones , you name it........he'll know, he's six hundred years old after all. I see him in plus four's , horizontaling a "closed , closed" bump and run through the Valley Of Sin in a match against Vardon.

There was a time, in America, in Chicago and elsewhere in the 1930's and 40's, where thousands of Golf Pro's existed and millions of golfers before and 10's of millions golfers after. If I presumed, that someone, somewhere, on some date, had figured it out first, then I would also presume that they figured out the #3 Pressure point involvement and the #3 pressure point tracing the Plane line too. But the list of Alignments goes beyond that. They would need to understand the "Magic of the Right Forearm" and the Bent Right Wrist and Flat Left Wrist and Primary Lever and Secondary Lever and the Flying Wedges.

All of that begs the question because if they thought that Spin was only imparted to the Ball by rolling up the face of the Inclined Striker, then why would they need to control the "Line of Compression"?

I say erect the Monument, then, give the "Steak knives" to whom ever claims them first. :laughing9

LBG.com should have an Annual "Steak Knives" Award. I know who gets them the first few years. Do you?
:)

O.B.Left 10-19-2010 09:46 AM

Not sure if this counts as Hinge Action or not but its close. Check out "the low run shot", the "lob shot".

http://www.hickorygolfers.com/swings...raidmashie.htm

dkerby 10-19-2010 12:00 PM

Master Class Index
 
O.B. Left, what a great site hickory golfers. I really liked
the MacDonal Smith swings a mashie. Look at how MacDonald
got the right shoulder back and down on plane. Aso MacDonald
Smith's Perfect Drive. He must have been a real player.
Thanks again for the site.


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