[Vickie]

Yea Bill, Heavy training for building muscle mass is a must. The primary factor that keeps most people from doing really heavy work is a a lack of conditioning (I think you have that) and an ability to wrap their mind and golgi tendon around working so hard and finally an ability to recover from the work. Rest is critical and most peoples busy lives don't allow them enough down time. Calories are also critical to not only building but repairing from the micro trauma inflicted on the muscle fibers. Body builders not only eat a lot, they micro manage the quality of the foods they eat. Lots of veges with their protein and only before an exhibition do they cut their carbs. I answered more on the thread you started. Let me know if I can be of any additional assistance. Fred Hatfield has some really good material on training protocols that I think you would find interesting. Vickie