tho there are many posts in here i still don't understand, this one is absolutely crystal clear Yoda
John
Just make sure that the you understand that to make the ball go from R-L and ending up on the target with an Angled Hinge Hitting motion, you must line up to the right of the target and pull hook it. Notice that Yoda says that the clubface must be closed with respect to the FLIGHT LINE which will be cross-line to the target line. This flight line becomes the new plane line. It's not a true draw, but a pull hook with respect to this new plane line.
I beleive I understand what Yoda is saying although I think Mizuno has a point to which I'd like to explore a little more.
If the ball is moved back from normal straightaway ball flight location, will we not actually be making contact with the ball on more of a 'cross-line' approach and is this why it can start out to the right before drawing?
And if so, must we believe that clubhead path determines intial ball flight direction and clubface determines ball curvature? Not meaning to open a can of worms here, just want to completley understand.
I think the problem here is that there are two different sets of ball quadrants. One with respect to the target/plane line and another with respect to the flight line. The closed clubface and outside aft quadrant Yoda talks about is with respect to the flight line. But with respect to the target/plane line, the face is open and the ball contact point is on the inside quadrant. The fact is that if you hit the plane line version of the outside aft quadrant of the ball with a clubface which is closed with respect to the plane line, the ball will start left of the target.
MJ - "you must line up to the right of the target and pull hook it"
are you saying a closed stance is now used? The way i follow is that the ball back produces the change in plane line.
John
Moving the ball back does not change the plane line. You just catch the ball earlier, but the low point is still in the same place, it's just further forward from the ball. It's still an on-plane clubhead path. That's different than changing the plane line to be cross-line to the target line, which is most easily done by closing the stance. This will give a clubhead PATH to the right of the target line.
Ok, so if i move the ball back in my stance without closing my stance i still can't hit a draw while hitting? The ONLY way to hit a draw while hitting via chapter 12 is to close the stance, correct? Thanks for your time MJ
Ok, so if i move the ball back in my stance without closing my stance i still can't hit a draw while hitting? The ONLY way to hit a draw while hitting via chapter 12 is to close the stance, correct? Thanks for your time MJ
John
If you close your stance, there is no need to move the ball back. Just close the clubface. You won't be hitting a true draw, but a pull hook which starts out right of the target and moves back towards the target.
The closed to closed thing really strikes a chord with me! The first instructor I ever had...waaaayyy back in the late 1960's, early 1970's, told me I had a closed to close clubface action (or something like that), and that a good model for me among big time PGA Tour pros was Leee Trevino. (I recall Trevino being described as closed to open). That was just one thing I remember. I have always felt that guy was the best instructor I have ever had.
Every other instructor since then has admonished me for having a closed clubface at address. I have squared it a bit, but find I cannot really let go on drives without losing them to the right, or pull hooking them. My best drives are long and right, as are my shots off the deck with my 12 degree 3W.
I'm going to have to work on closing the driver clubface a bit at address and see what happens (and I may as well work on closing the clubface when I put the ball back with the wedges and short irons).
The closed to closed thing really strikes a chord with me! The first instructor I ever had...waaaayyy back in the late 1960's, early 1970's, told me I had a closed to close clubface action (or something like that), and that a good model for me among big time PGA Tour pros was Leee Trevino. (I recall Trevino being described as closed to open). That was just one thing I remember. I have always felt that guy was the best instructor I have ever had.
Every other instructor since then has admonished me for having a closed clubface at address. I have squared it a bit, but find I cannot really let go on drives without losing them to the right, or pull hooking them. My best drives are long and right, as are my shots off the deck with my 12 degree 3W.
I'm going to have to work on closing the driver clubface a bit at address and see what happens (and I may as well work on closing the clubface when I put the ball back with the wedges and short irons).
I've got a copy of an instruction book Lee Buck wrote. It's now out of print. He actually advises closing the clubface at address. I would say based on what he said in his book that he played from a 10-5-B Square-Open stance. He said he intentionally took it back outside the Target Line but then his Downstroke was down the target line. He said by doing this he had the clubface looking at the target longer than anybody in golf.
Also, he played with what looks like to me a 10-2-D grip. Mr. K says with this grip "The palm of the Right Hand moves toward Impact exacly like a paddle-wheel rotating On-Plane - no separate Rolling Motion until after Impact." This is Angled Hinging. Lee described himself as a "blocker" on his Golf Channel thing.
Check out the post that Yoda did on the Impact Bag. Look at the picture of Lee post impact. No rolling there. If you can find any swing sequences on Lee, his Backstroke is definitely to Top and not End. Watch how his Right Forearm Wedge stays solid and how his Right Shoulder is driven down plane. Check out follow through. In 1-L, "The Club starts up-and-in after "Low Point" but the thrust continues Down Plane during Follow-Through." Not many got this better than Lee Buck.
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