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Old 01-14-2009, 08:34 PM
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Per Tomasello's video letter,
This looks like the simplest way to hit a golf ball
without all the John Daly windup.
I took two lessons with Ben Doyle. Very enjoyable, but
hitting the ball with the pivot is something I couldn't feel.
Throwing the hands from the top, causes the body to pivot
naturally. The main trick it seems is just where to throw the hands.
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Old 01-15-2009, 02:16 PM
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Throw them DOWN and OUT to your aim point.
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Old 01-15-2009, 05:06 PM
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Would stick with Ben if i had the opportunity to work with him. 2 Lessons surely not enough.
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Old 01-16-2009, 01:12 PM
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Throw them DOWN and OUT to your aim point.
Can you further define "aim point." What is the optimal aim point, and how do you determine it?
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Old 01-16-2009, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Scottgas2 View Post
Can you further define "aim point." What is the optimal aim point, and how do you determine it?
Having the opportunity to be a student of Ben Doyles, is something very special. Stick with it, and continue to read posts here.

Aiming point (AP) is one of the most "foggy" concepts in TGM (IMO). It's something you have to experience for yourself because it's dependent of how and when you swing/hit and release. In short it's the point on the planeline where you aim the thrust. For most people the AP is up to a couple of inches after the ball for wedge shots, and up to a couple of inches before the ball for drivers.

But do a seach, many have been asking about aiming point before you!
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Old 01-16-2009, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Thom View Post
Having the opportunity to be a student of Ben Doyles, is something very special. Stick with it, and continue to read posts here.

Aiming point (AP) is one of the most "foggy" concepts in TGM (IMO). It's something you have to experience for yourself because it's dependent of how and when you swing/hit and release. In short it's the point on the planeline where you aim the thrust. For most people the AP is up to a couple of inches after the ball for wedge shots, and up to a couple of inches before the ball for drivers.

But do a seach, many have been asking about aiming point before you!
If I've got it right, Clampett has it about 4 inches in front of the where the ball is.

You *can* do it for drivers, but the Trackman devices are showing that basically you want the aimpoint for a driver before the ball because you want to hit up a little with a driver. Recent article showed that JB Holmes and Tiger had virtually the same swing speed, but Holmes was hitting about 3 degrees up with the driver whereas Tiger was hitting 3 degrees down and that is believed to be why Holmes hits it much further than Tiger.

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Old 01-16-2009, 03:42 PM
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If I've got it right, Clampett has it about 4 inches in front of the where the ball is.

You *can* do it for drivers, but the Trackman devices are showing that basically you want the aimpoint for a driver before the ball because you want to hit up a little with a driver. Recent article showed that JB Holmes and Tiger had virtually the same swing speed, but Holmes was hitting about 3 degrees up with the driver whereas Tiger was hitting 3 degrees down and that is believed to be why Holmes hits it much further than Tiger.



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Clearly the Trackman wil show you that high launch/low spin is the recipee for distance. But IMO it's a dangerous swingthought.
If the club is on it's way up, it has passed the low point. If it has passed low point the clubface is closed. If the face is closed, you'll hook it. If you don't want to hook it, you'll have to swing your driver and use vertical hinging, which is a layback only procedure better used with the short game strokes.
The hit up thought, coming from all the launch monitor results, could be the reason a lot of golfers want open face drivers now a days.

I think the AP before the the ball is due to the driver being a longer club and it needs more time to square up. That's why you need to start the release ealier, and that's what an AP before the ball will do.

Maybe one of the pros can explain this much better!
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