The Right Arm Swing

[Bagger Lance]

Now, it is true that Homer himself characterized the Right Arm Swing as "the Bat with loosened Wrists." However, their only similarity is the use of the Right Elbow Stroke Center. Otherwise, the two Strokes retain their separate identities, poles apart on the spectrum that is Swinging versus Hitting.

Let's kick the tires and light the fires Big Daddy!

Why did Homer call it a right arm swing, if the right arm swing using 10-3-K is a Hit through impact?

I'm not the stand up guy. I really want to know.

Bagger

[Delaware Golf]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Now, it is true that Homer himself characterized the Right Arm Swing as "the Bat with loosened Wrists." However, their only similarity is the use of the Right Elbow Stroke Center. Otherwise, the two Strokes retain their separate identities, poles apart on the spectrum that is Swinging versus Hitting.

Let's kick the tires and light the fires Big Daddy!

Why did Homer call it a right arm swing, if the right arm swing using 10-3-K is a Hit through impact?

I'm not the stand up guy. I really want to know.

Bagger

Bagger,

In the video you will see of Tomasello there is NO HIT....it's one smooth motion (even (constant) acceleration) from start down....it's a true swing per 10-11-0-1....Tomasello is using the MAGIC OF THE RIGHT FOREARM with a FULL SWEEP RELEASE....what I believe happens is....one achieves maximum handspeed with NO throwaway results. I have generated all kinds of great shots with this procedure....pinpoint accurate sandwedges to 300 yard drives with spectacular boring trajectory. Just read the Tomasello interview in GI

GI: What happens to the shots of a player who executes these moves?

Tomasello: The player will immediately hit the ball higher and straighter, and substantially longer. The flight pattern will be dead straight to its apex, with the ball falling a touch left or drawing fractionally as it decends.

DG

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Now, it is true that Homer himself characterized the Right Arm Swing as "the Bat with loosened Wrists." However, their only similarity is the use of the Right Elbow Stroke Center. Otherwise, the two Strokes retain their separate identities, poles apart on the spectrum that is Swinging versus Hitting.

Why did Homer call it a right arm swing, if the right arm swing using 10-3-K is a Hit through impact?

The Right Arm Swing is not a Hit through Impact. Nor does it employ the Bat as the means to its end. Instead, it is a Swing with active Right Arm participation and a Right Elbow Center. These last two characteristics are also attributes of the Hitter's Bat Minor Basic Stroke, but that is where the association ends. The 'loosened Wrists' of the Right Arm Swing give that Stroke its Rope Handle character, just as the rigid Wrists of the Bat give it its Axe Handle character.

But the Bat (driven by Muscular Thrust) is not the Right Arm Swing (driven by Centrifugal Force).

Or vice versa.

[Delaware Golf]

Originally Posted by Bagger Lance

Originally Posted by Yoda Now, it is true that Homer himself characterized the Right Arm Swing as "the Bat with loosened Wrists." However, their only similarity is the use of the Right Elbow Stroke Center. Otherwise, the two Strokes retain their separate identities, poles apart on the spectrum that is Swinging versus Hitting. Why did Homer call it a right arm swing, if the right arm swing using 10-3-K is a Hit through impact?

The Right Arm Swing is not a Hit through Impact. Nor does it employ the Bat as the means to its end. Instead, it is a Swing with active Right Arm participation and a Right Elbow Center. These last two characteristics are also attributes of the Hitter's Bat Minor Basic Stroke, but that is where the association ends. The 'loosened Wrists' of the Right Arm Swing give that Stroke its Rope Handle character, just as the rigid Wrists of the Bat give it its Axe Handle character.

But the Bat (driven by Muscular Thrust) is not the Right Arm Swing (driven by Centrifugal Force).

Or vice versa.

I believe the right arm swing has both muscular thrust and centrifugal force per 2-M-1....the Full Sweep or Random Sweep release gives the right arm swing its swing characteristics (lengthwise acceleration...longitudinal acceleration).....however, there has to be a release action when using right arm acceleration....whether the release is early or late is the players choice.....if the player employs maximum trigger delay and a snap release, the action becomes more of a hit rather than a swing. In the right arm swing, the golfer DOES NOT drive the right arm through impact without a releasing action (or you will get a clubhead throwaway condition per 6-D-2)....the trigger is non-automatic instead of an automatic trigger.

DG

[Yoda]

I believe the right arm swing has both muscular thrust and centrifugal force per 2-M-1....the Full Sweep or Random Sweep release gives the right arm swing its swing characteristics (lengthwise acceleration...longitudinal acceleration).....however, there has to be a release action when using right arm acceleration....whether the release is early or late is the players choice.....if the player employs maximum trigger delay and a snap release, the action becomes more of a hit rather than a swing. In the right arm swing, the golfer DOES NOT drive the right arm through impact without a releasing action (or you will get a clubhead throwaway condition per 6-D-2)....the trigger is non-automatic instead of an automatic trigger.

Delaware Golf's Points listed in order with Yoda's Counterpoints bolded:

1. I believe the right arm swing has both muscular thrust and centrifugal force per 2-M-1.

There is a fine line between a Muscular Thrust that Radially Drives the Clubhead and a Muscular Thrust that Longitudinally generates a Centrifugal Force that Drives the Clubhead. That fine line differentiates Hitting from Right Arm Swinging.

2. ...the Full Sweep or Random Sweep release gives the right arm swing its swing characteristics (lengthwise acceleration...longitudinal acceleration).

The Release Point has nothing to do with Swinging versus Hitting. Both Swingers and Hitters can release the Club as soon as possible (Full Sweep), as late as possible (Snap) or somewhere in between (Random Sweep).

3......however, there has to be a release action when using right arm acceleration.

Agreed. Right Arm or Left, with or without Body Momentum Transfer, Accumulated Power must be Released.

4....whether the release is early or late is the players choice.

Agreed, and per Item 2 above, that player can be either Swinger (Right Arm or Left) or Hitter.

5. ....if the player employs maximum trigger delay and a snap release, the action becomes more of a hit rather than a swing.

Longitudinal Acceleration and Radial Acceleration determine the physics of Swinging or Hitting, not Trigger Delay and Release Type.

6. In the right arm swing, the golfer DOES NOT drive the right arm through impact without a releasing action (or you will get a clubhead throwaway condition per 6-D-2).

Per Item 3 above, Accumulated Power must be Released. However, both Left Arm and Right Arm Swingers use Centrifugal Force Throw-Out Action to drive the Club, not Muscular Thrust Drive-Out Action.

7. ...the trigger is non-automatic instead of an automatic trigger.

Both Left Arm and Right Arm Swingers can use the Aiming Point procedure to effect an Automatic Trigger.

[Delaware Golf]

Yoda,

Just play the tape!!!

DG

[tongzilla]

Yoda: a very clear post that puts everything in TGM terminology. TGM is here so we can make finer distinctions that would otherwise not be possible.

Deleware Golf: you are promoting TT's Right Arm Swing, not just any old Right Arm Swing, correct? In that sense, you are teaching a method/procedure, am I right? Would you teach this Pattern to most golfers?

[Delaware Golf]

Yoda: a very clear post that puts everything in TGM terminology. TGM is here so we can make finer distinctions that would otherwise not be possible.

Deleware Golf: you are promoting TT's Right Arm Swing, not just any old Right Arm Swing, correct? In that sense, you are teaching a method/procedure, am I right? Would you teach this Pattern to most golfers?

It's not any old right arm swing (and it's not TT's right arm swing).....it is the right arm swing.

DG

[Yoda]

Yoda,

Just play the tape!!!

I'm sending the Tomasello-Dietrick tape to Bagger today. However, as has been announced, we are going offline tomorrow at noon for scheduled site maintenance. We will be back in 24-72 hours (no later than Sunday evening) with a whole new look and functionality. The new tape will be up when we return.

[Bagger Lance]

Originally Posted by Delaware Golf

Yoda, Just play the tape!!!

I'm sending the Tomasello-Dietrick tape to Bagger today. However, as has been announced, we are going offline tomorrow at noon for scheduled site maintenance. We will be back in 24-72 hours (no later than Sunday evening) with a whole new look and functionality. The new tape will be up when we return.

The tape will be up shortly after we return. We will have our hands full for the next week making sure everything is stablized.

In the mean time. I prefer to understand the Right Arm Swing based on Homers definition. There is common terminology.
Assuming Yoda is correct about the tape not even mentioning the right arm swing, I'm not certain there is much to learn other than some variations on the left arm swing. But for the sake of this thread, let's assume the tape is all about the right arm swing.

Bagger