I've read some things around the web lately on various forums that seem to be saying that one should drive the right shoulder downplane or bring the hands down to the ball or w/e for the first move down...then the pivot just moves out of the way and responds how it needs to.
They use the "baseball pitcher does not think about his pivot and only thinks of his right hand" analogy.
Now...I've tried this...and the results have been crap.
I have found that if I try to drive my shoulder downplane or pull the club downplane with my hands (for the first move down) that I lose my away-from-target spine tilt through impact and my head moves too much forward.
I feel some switting getting in there too and hit low low pulls and shanks and lower shots in general. Not thin but low. I lose my plane (over the top a bit).
So what I'm thinking now is that if I give my attention to that right arm on the way down (instead of pulling with my left side) it seems to put me in danger of hitting when I'm supposed to be swinging.
Swinging is supposed to be a pulling motion after all.
Um...anyone think anything of this? Maybe I interpreted those posts (about starting the downswing with the right shoulder) wrong.
-Paul
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Initiates the gyroscope action required for swingers. Of course, always should be under hands controlled pivot per 5-0, which occurs with experience and practice.
Thank you Mr Ben Hogan and thank you Mr Homer Kelley.
I don't think I read all the references last time around....but I just did....
Thanks guys. Appreciate it.
K, so...
-start downswing from bottom to top, instead of top to bottom.....so much for pulling straight down with my right forearm (possibly right arm swinging....+ throwaway).
-downstroke sequence: Knees, Hips, Shoulders, arms, Right Elbow, Left Wristcock and/or Left Hand Rotation.
-10-19-C (Drag Loading) has the perfect Start-Down analogy in it....it gives me a perfect feeling and image for the Start-Down (hopefully perfect mechanics too). "Start the club down as though it were being drawn from a quiver like an arrow- feathered end first."
So great.
Start downswing from bottom to top + pull the arrow out...I like it.
Last edited by birdie_man : 10-09-2005 at 01:14 AM.
This is something that I've really come to understand in my own stroke this season. I used to get very - even overly - concerned with what was pulling at startdown. However, I came to realize that what everybody was saying was true..."it doesn't matter what you pull with, just pull."
I now personally like to feel that at the top my hands are about shoulder height. I practice mentally constructing the Turned Shoulder Plane angle when I'm at the top. Everything lines up right on it - the right shoulder, PP3, and the ball. Then I simply thrust my right shoulder downplane and allow it to drag my hands into impact. As my hands approach release point, my pivot must respond by moving out of the way to make room for my hands.
It really helps to teach yourself at least a basic Hitting pattern. This will help you differentiate between pushing and pulling to start the downstroke. When you get the top with Hitting, it's right arm thrust all the way down. Now simply make a stroke and don't thrust your right arm. If you know you're not pushing your right arm, what else could you be doing to start the downstroke? Pulling.
The hip slide must precede and, in fact, trigger the right shoulder downplane action. Don't forget that everything, except the right foot and right shoulder, must be past the ball at impact. If the right shoulder moves first, that can't happen.
The hip slide must precede and, in fact, trigger the right shoulder downplane action. Don't forget that everything, except the right foot and right shoulder, must be past the ball at impact. If the right shoulder moves first, that can't happen.
My hips know to slide and they do. This is again why it's so important to differentiate between what you're actually doing and what you feel you're doing.
My hips know to slide and they do. This is again why it's so important to differentiate between what you're actually doing and what you feel you're doing.
Very well said Matt, nearly all the problems of golfdom can be summed up in that statement!!!!
The hip slide must precede and, in fact, trigger the right shoulder downplane action. Don't forget that everything, except the right foot and right shoulder, must be past the ball at impact. If the right shoulder moves first, that can't happen.
Which tilts the spine so the right shoulder can follow the plane line and angle.
The hip slide must precede and, in fact, trigger the right shoulder downplane action. Don't forget that everything, except the right foot and right shoulder, must be past the ball at impact. If the right shoulder moves first, that can't happen.
What about the head position at impact. Behind, over or ahead of the ball??
Vikram
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