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Old 10-08-2005, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe
What secret??? Have you read the quote to which I responded?
Chill out Joe. There is a two question mark limit.

I wanted to make sure we were talking about the same thing- you left it open as to what you thought the secret was. I live with women, my mind reading skills deteriorated years ago.

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Lag is described but the only mention of HOW it is obtained is a single sentence about dragging a wet mop through impact. The problem is that a wet mop can be drug through impact incorrectly and in such a way that when switching from a wet mop to a golf club, lag won't happen.
Swab the deck mate. Can't push it and have the hands ahead of the big wet heavy mop head.

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Someone who doesn't have lag and having read the above posts, still won't.

So the "jig" isn't up.
He or she will have an understanding of lag after dragging a mop. One step at a time. I'm sure some time in incubation is worth owning a secret.
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Old 10-08-2005, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bmike

He or she will have an understanding of lag after dragging a mop. One step at a time. I'm sure some time in incubation is worth owning a secret.
You can pull that mop through with "hands moving hands", i.e. adding hand effort to the pivot. For some the incubation period could be yrs.
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Old 10-08-2005, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Martee
I am not sure that I can buy into the logic.

True Angle Hinging per-se lack a true center, BUT it is quite clear the component composition in 12-1-0 for a Hitter is to use Angle Hinging.
...and?

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So I guess what I am saying I don't track with your logic regarding Horizontal Hinging. In fact what would you say in regards to Vertical Hinging?

And I am a bit concerned that it appears that Hinging is the Key to Sustaining the Line of Compression, I thought there were some other elements that were of equal if not more importance.
Indeed the Impact Points for Vertical Hinging in 2-C-2 remains intact during Impact Interval. And Hinging is not a only factor. I'd be intereted in further comments from anyone.
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Old 10-08-2005, 02:01 PM
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So why is dragging a wet mop through impact helpful?

Because you can try to 'throw it away' with your hands and overaccelerate, and still get that sense of heaviness through Pressure Point 3. You can the right feeling even if you do things incorrectly. So you know what it should feel like when you've got a real club in your hands.
Now you've got something to compare against, a feel that you're striving for. So when you do 'get it', you can say to yourself, 'this feels similar to dragging a wet mop. Now I know what this Clubhead Lag stuff is really about'.
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Old 10-08-2005, 02:11 PM
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So why is dragging a wet mop through impact helpful?

Because you can try to 'throw it away' with your hands and overaccelerate, and still get that sense of heaviness through Pressure Point 3. You can the right feeling even if you do things incorrectly. So you know what it should feel like when you've got a real club in your hands.
Now you've got something to compare against, a feel that you're striving for. So when you do 'get it', you can say to yourself, 'this feels similar to dragging a wet mop. Now I know what this Clubhead Lag stuff is really about'.
Exactly, which is why something other than mops is required.
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Old 10-08-2005, 07:42 PM
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The other pre-requisite is ....Talent!!! Otherwise it is a constant flippin that burger over on the grill until it's done...some peole just can't cook! Never will!!!

If you can't throw a spiral with a football, throw a slider with a baseball, shoot a free throw with a basketball with proper form, or just plain flick a "booger" with your right forefinger you've got no chance ...lack of proprioceptive skills...that is the secret to feeling lag pressure on the #3 pressure point...So keep inubating until you aquire more and more proprioception


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Flick a booger?

lol....crazy old Skywalker...
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Losing The Point Of Compression -- The Lob Shot
Originally Posted by tongzilla
Indeed the Impact Points for Vertical Hinging in 2-C-2 remains intact during Impact Interval.
And thus there is no loss of the Compression Point during Vertical Hinging (Clubface Layback Only) until the Clubhead passes through Low Point. Then, as the Clubhead moves parallel to the ground, the Clubface tilts under the Ball, the point of Compression is lost, and the result is the floating, ballistic trajectory of the Lob Shot.
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Originally Posted by 6bmike
Chill out Joe. There is a two question mark limit.

I wanted to make sure we were talking about the same thing- you left it open as to what you thought the secret was. I live with women, my mind reading skills deteriorated years ago.



Swab the deck mate. Can't push it and have the hands ahead of the big wet heavy mop head.



He or she will have an understanding of lag after dragging a mop. One step at a time. I'm sure some time in incubation is worth owning a secret.
Tongz.. very well done, excellent post, although I heard that from you many many times from you over the phone.

Quick question the mop drill, could we say that it is more like a Hitter's drill rather then a swinger drill?

I really keen to find out a definate answer of LAG, imo LAG is more like a feeling rather then .... ..

What do you think about holding a club with a whippy shaft with your finger, and try to swing the clubhead and stress the clubshaft with minimum amount of body and hands motion.
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Old 11-16-2005, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by oztrainee
Tongz.. very well done, excellent post, although I heard that from you many many times from you over the phone.

Quick question the mop drill, could we say that it is more like a Hitter's drill rather then a swinger drill?
When Hitting -- Drive the wet mop through Impact using muscular Right Arm Thrust, which is directly felt through Pressure Point #1 and #3.

When Swiging -- Drag the wet mop through Impact by turning your left side against your Left Arm, which is directly felt through Pressure Point #4 and indirectly felt through Pressure Point #3.

Either way, it's deliberate, positive and heavy -- constant Loading, constant direction.
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